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18.10.56 docmojo: \away
calyxa: other way
18.11.03 docmojo: Hey!
18.11.10 docmojo: Looks like it... ;-)
18.11.20 docmojo: I gotta go work on the book.
18.11.24 docmojo: "I'll be back."
18.11.28 docmojo: I am away.
18.51.19 mojoreney: Hi Caly!
calyxa: hi hi!
calyxa: I locked the other room so no-one else will be able to join it.
calyxa: it'll go away as soon as Irene and I leave it.
18.57.09 paf75fr: OUPPSS you 're clicking so fast ! hello again ):- welcome to the new world ...
18.57.11 mojoreney: Oh didn't I leave?
calyxa: nope, you just switched...
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18.57.41 paf75fr: p'ffff hihihi m'enfiiin ):-
calyxa: thanks!!
calyxa: ok! now there's just the one room. Mo should be here any minute... and if he isn't, I'll phone him.
calyxa: patrice, you had some technical things you wanted to talk about?
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calyxa: yo!
18.59.15 docmojo: Hallo!
calyxa: did you get silently booted or something?
18.59.36 paf75fr: hello mojoreney, nice to see you, it is my second arrival onto the mojovox area only ! It is a pleasure to discover others colleagues from the mjw ring ):-
18.59.44 docmojo: I guess I was idle too long.
18.59.51 docmojo: Or, my satellite dish flaked.
calyxa: that means we have no moderator ;)
19.00.05 docmojo: Chances are, it will, during this session.
19.00.13 docmojo: If I disappear, taht's what happened.
19.00.32 docmojo: Hey, paf!
19.00.37 paf75fr: yes calyxa, some technical stuff and questions, general not pro ui yet...
19.00.44 paf75fr: hello doc'
19.00.46 docmojo: And don't ever call me "moderate," Caly! ;-)
calyxa: everythingi n moderation, including (especially?) moderation!
19.01.09 paf75fr: it s not diplomatic ! p'fff ):-
calyxa: I got the spacetime node to work (in a new file)
19.01.47 docmojo: Cool!
19.01.57 paf75fr: ok ready
19.02.20 mojoreney: Calyxa: I didn't save the orbit view inwhich the generator renders a nebula effect, but the transporter doesn't.
calyxa: I'm still not sure what's wrong with it -- I think it has something to do w/ the order things are done in (make fractal 4 d, create spacetime node, _then_ record your movie)
calyxa: oh well... if you ever see it again....
19.03.04 docmojo: That's really odd, mojorenry.
19.03.12 docmojo: "mojoreney"
calyxa: "Irene"
19.03.24 docmojo: Never seen a problem like that.
19.03.34 docmojo: Ah, hey, Irene!
19.03.39 mojoreney: Sorry, when I registered it wouldn't let me use ialora or irene.
19.03.53 docmojo: Damned software. :-)
19.04.07 docmojo: So, you do hardware testing?
19.04.24 mojoreney: Who?
19.04.31 docmojo: You!
19.04.48 mojoreney: Factory service tech for a Tektronix
19.04.50 docmojo: Didn't you say you'd do something or other between testing boards?
calyxa: ialora and/or irene may already have been 'registered' through the beta program.
19.05.04 docmojo: Ah, that's it.
19.05.07 docmojo: Annoying!
19.05.18 docmojo: They use the same database?
19.05.20 mojoreney: Yeah, I let my PC render spots for me while I'm running diags.
19.05.30 docmojo: Nice setup!
calyxa: I think so - we can check w/ Julian...
19.05.43 docmojo: Why don't you do that...
19.06.06 paf75fr: because because because because of wonderfull things he does !
calyxa: first I'll see if I can find those accounts and set the passwd to something "known"
19.07.01 docmojo: Good. I like thing sna people's names to be obvious. ;-)
19.07.09 docmojo: "things and"
19.07.26 mojoreney: Did my e-mail addy get changed in the database? I sent registration a note about it.
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19.07.44 ialora: ha, OK. I can do that.
19.07.47 ialora: bye
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19.07.57 docmojo: That was quick!
19.08.05 mojoreney: Wow! deja vue
19.08.18 paf75fr: hello nice to see your presence ouppsss A problem on the matrix ! hihihi
19.08.21 docmojo: Do do do do, do do do do...
calyxa: it's on the ialora account as ialora@home.net
19.08.30 mojoreney: So will I be able to log in a ialora next time?
19.09.05 mojoreney: The e-mail needs to be @attbi.com @home is no more.
19.09.28 paf75fr: what about talking about nodes dears colleagues ?
calyxa: OK, I can fix that. there is no "irene" account that I can find.
19.09.44 docmojo: Sure, paf, go for it!
calyxa: ok, fixed.
19.10.05 paf75fr: my check list after the work via your tutorial is
19.10.18 docmojo: (Thanks, Caly!)
19.10.47 docmojo: So, did Spacetime work for you? It's broken in 1.2 for me...
<calyxa>: if you want me to change the ialora passwd to something else, drop me an email
19.11.01 paf75fr: check the presence of 4d domaine on objects, check the spacetime node at the top of objects, and the scale of it, record, that it
19.11.10 paf75fr: for now it is enought and works properly
calyxa: I got Spacetime to work this morning - I think it's picky about what order things are done in -- I need to do more tests, tho.
19.11.14 mojoreney: No big deaL, thanks!
19.11.30 docmojo: Hmm. That could be it.
19.11.50 docmojo: The FG I'm using it in is flakey--there are one or more bugs in there somewhere....
19.12.17 paf75fr: what do you mean by bugs, examples please ok ):- to understand better...
19.12.18 docmojo: I'm doing a cool animation that I should be able to post before we're done here. :-)
calyxa: at least it's not that I left the SIMDEval methods out of my DotProd node...
19.12.31 mojoreney: I'm trying to duplicate the nebula thing. It may have something to do with the angle of the moon close to the planet.
19.12.45 docmojo: Things that CRASH MojoWorld, for instance!
19.13.02 docmojo: That's a bug!
19.13.14 mojoreney: MJW periocially drops to the desktop when I select "save".
calyxa: I haven't seen that one in a long time (used to see it a little bit w/ older versions, tho)
19.13.47 docmojo: You mean it minimizes, or dies?
calyxa: >>poof<<
19.14.00 paf75fr: take care of ressources each time at the bottom of your monitor, it helps really to understand the category of pb for me it s a good choice ( you see if it is a source of memory pb or other )
19.14.03 mojoreney: yes, poof.
19.14.28 paf75fr: means disapears ?
19.14.40 docmojo: Does that make us poofters? :^)
19.15.01 paf75fr: I encountered that 5% of time only after or a bad parameter on fractal or memory ressource pb
19.15.04 mojoreney: yes, gone. yes, you're definately a poofter.
calyxa: hehe.
19.15.16 docmojo: D'OH!!!
19.15.28 paf75fr: p'fffff yeah ):-
calyxa: just got mail from Angus, he can't run 'vox.... I think he's trying under OS X, tho.
19.15.36 docmojo: "I hate it when that ahppens."
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19.15.50 paf75fr: did he tried with pc emulators ? -(o)-
calyxa: w/b Bob!
19.15.52 docmojo: Hey, Bob!
19.15.57 mojoreney: I can't run Vox at work. Firewall thingy.
19.15.58 rbutt: hi yall
19.16.13 paf75fr: no way with firewall normally !
calyxa: yeah, I keep asking Chris about that firewall / proxy thing and he never writes back.
calyxa: next time, I'll copy Mo on it. that'll stir things up. :)
19.16.37 docmojo: They may have no way to test that, in the tiny Dunedin office...
19.16.51 docmojo: Yeah, Chris really FEARS ol' Mo!
calyxa: heh heh
19.17.14 mojoreney: Someone fears a man who looks like Mr. Wipple?
19.17.19 paf75fr: If they have beta version we can test it with pleasure to advance of course... do not hezitate team , we are here for that too not only to ask questions
19.17.40 docmojo: HEY--don't you start in on it, too!
19.17.58 docmojo: Thanks, paf. I'll let Chris know.
19.18.26 mojoreney: WooHoo! I found the nebula!
19.18.38 docmojo: 17 frames left to go on my 1600 frame animation.
19.18.39 docmojo: Cool.
19.18.44 paf75fr: question about import of objects : 3ds objects for example, what is the attribute of it is it really full integrate on Mjw ( under the sea for example we don t see the bottom of object ) ?
calyxa: cool - I'd like to see that file...
19.18.47 docmojo: Excellent!
19.19.09 mojoreney: Man! This one fills the screen! sent it to calyxa@pandromeda.com?
calyxa: no primitives, not even MW native ones show up under the water...
19.19.12 docmojo: There is no refraction in MW. What you see is a cheap hack.
19.19.23 docmojo: It can only show the terrain beneath the water...
19.19.35 docmojo: Works good, for a hack ,though!
calyxa: the ocean is intimately involved with the planet... according to Craig.
19.20.14 paf75fr: ok thanks
19.20.16 docmojo: Yes, it is.
19.20.23 docmojo: At least, refraction-wise.
19.20.38 docmojo: We're looking at fixing that in 2.0.
19.20.50 docmojo: Hey: want some INSIDE DIRT?
calyxa: that's why water materials on spheres only "work" if the spheres are touching the planet.
19.21.03 docmojo: (First you have to promise to KEEP QUIET about it!!!)
calyxa: hey, dirt I don't even have -- that's really inside!
calyxa: should I edit it out of the log?!
19.21.26 docmojo: YES.
19.21.35 paf75fr: hum hum
19.21.41 docmojo: (I didn't know that about teh spheres!)
calyxa: you got it.
19.21.59 docmojo: [CENSORED]
calyxa: WOW!
19.22.07 docmojo: [CENSORED]
calyxa: double WOW!
19.22.13 docmojo: DIRT!!!
19.22.23 docmojo: DOUBLE DIRT!!!
19.22.24 mojoreney: [CENSORED]
19.22.39 docmojo: Yeah, it could be good for us.
19.22.51 docmojo: [CENSORED]
calyxa: [CENSORED]
19.22.58 paf75fr: just call the 'who's who ?' ):-
19.23.11 docmojo: Boy, I dunno.
19.23.25 docmojo: [CENSORED]
calyxa: [CENSORED]
19.23.35 docmojo: The rest would be much harder.
19.23.42 mojoreney: [CENSORED]
19.23.43 docmojo: [CENSORED]
19.24.07 mojoreney: No, surprise there.
19.24.13 docmojo: Ah, so that's why you became a Vueser?
19.24.19 docmojo: (to coin a term)
19.24.20 mojoreney: yes
19.24.52 docmojo: [CENSORED]
19.24.53 mojoreney: [CENSORED]
calyxa: (it's going to be an interesting challenge to edit this log... "The Nixon Whitehouse 'vox!"
19.25.18 docmojo: [CENSORED]
19.25.24 docmojo: Who knows--it's a pipe dream.
19.25.45 docmojo: Heh heh--good for the MojoMystique!
19.26.10 docmojo: [CENSORED]
calyxa: oog...
19.26.19 mojoreney: Back to mojo. Can we get an object shadow or something to help with imported object alignment?
19.26.35 docmojo: In the RTR?
19.26.38 docmojo: Hmm.
19.26.40 mojoreney: yes
19.26.41 docmojo: Not easy...
19.26.45 docmojo: But possible!
calyxa: I usually use a lot of crop renders to get that right.
19.26.54 docmojo: We'll have a look at it.
19.26.58 paf75fr: about mjw software integration : how did the rhino can moves on the movies who comes from samples movies via pandromeda, I mean how did you animate a 'seems to be poser object' onMjw !?
19.27.04 docmojo: New cards might make it pretty straightforward.
19.27.08 docmojo: Just a speed hit...
19.27.24 mojoreney: Or how about some quick camera presets for topdown and/or side views?
calyxa: not sure how Codini did that -- compositing, maybe
19.27.28 docmojo: That was comped in by a pro.
19.27.44 docmojo: He's doen that kind of work since Star Wars (which he worked on).
calyxa: presets where on the globe, though?
19.28.00 docmojo: Look closely--you'll see the bad camera match moves.
calyxa: they'd have to be calcuated on the fly relative to the "current camera"
19.28.09 docmojo: huh?
19.28.11 mojoreney: No, additional cameras
19.28.14 paf75fr: ok for the compositing point of view... yes
19.28.44 docmojo: (six frames to go...)
calyxa: if you're working at 45 S latitude and the "preset from the top" camera is at the equator... it isn't gonna help...
19.29.19 mojoreney: What if the camera was set to use the imported object as the reference?
calyxa: you'll just have to make your own scene-specific cameras...
19.29.46 docmojo: Camera controls are another thing we're looking at for 2.0.
calyxa: one thing we desperately need to add is a "zoom to selected object" tho
19.30.02 mojoreney: Yes, that would help!
19.30.08 paf75fr: a motion 'capture integration like' ? foget it ok it s another subjectmaybe for mjw....
19.30.17 docmojo: I want to look in a direction other than where I'm travelling...
19.30.29 docmojo: That's pretty advanced, paf.
19.30.35 docmojo: "Mayb elater." :-)
19.30.45 mojoreney: A rear view mirror?
19.30.45 docmojo: "maybe later"
19.31.07 docmojo: Fuzzy dice in the RTR?
19.31.16 docmojo: :-)
19.31.18 mojoreney: Pink!
19.31.29 docmojo: Pink boys!
19.31.41 paf75fr: how about ' did you tried' to find a function who looks like a city ? I'm working on it, it is amazing and interesting 'cause you can put an entire city via a parameter bomb !
19.31.45 mojoreney: What about viewing underwater?
19.31.52 paf75fr: pink floyds !
19.32.17 docmojo: Viewing underwater has been simulated.
19.32.33 mojoreney: With atmosphere?
19.32.34 docmojo: You can use the...Standard Fog," is it?
calyxa: ya
19.32.41 docmojo: Yes.
19.32.50 docmojo: One of our first users did it.
calyxa: the city PB thing has sort of been done...
19.32.58 docmojo: It's way back in our galleries.
calyxa: using 'steep steps' noise...
calyxa: it ought to be a plugin tho.
19.33.17 mojoreney: But when you stick imported object in mojo water, they get chopped off.
19.33.20 paf75fr: i ' wanna looking for the entinre gallery then... !
19.33.27 rbutt: I am away.
19.33.29 docmojo: Citeies: there was a paper at SIGGRAPH las t year about procedurtal cities.
19.33.38 docmojo: Kent talked to them at length, but I didn't.
19.33.47 docmojo: We should contact them when teh SDK comes out.
calyxa: did you see my reply to Bernard about plugin ids?
19.34.17 docmojo: No.
19.34.19 paf75fr: is the sdk will be opened or will it be a add on to buy ?
calyxa: free, free, free
19.34.41 docmojo: Irene, you can do a "local" underwater scene, but you couldn't go from air into the water.
19.34.50 paf75fr: available soon ?
calyxa: Bernard suggests we dole out ID ranges.
19.34.56 docmojo: Absolutely Free!
calyxa: yeah, pretty soon...
19.35.09 mojoreney: Is there a tute on some of this?
19.35.10 docmojo: Interesting. What do you think?
19.35.12 paf75fr: thanks sorry to disturb water discuss, awaiting and reading...
calyxa: I could see a bunch of folks trying to grab the 0xDEADBEEF id otherwise...
calyxa: we should do it.
19.35.28 docmojo: No, but I can work up an example.
19.35.37 docmojo: Please send me an email reminder.
19.35.48 mojoreney: OK!
19.35.49 rbutt: paf http://www.4warned.4armed.org.uk/mjw/pages/dyoncity.htm
19.35.53 docmojo: Gawd...
19.36.24 rbutt: its old and I didn't know about curves hence the rounding off at the edges
19.36.30 mojoreney: I'm gonna have to go now. Gotta send Caly that file too. Bye!
calyxa: wow, Bob, I hadn't see that before! it rocks!
calyxa: see ya later, Irene
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19.37.01 paf75fr: nice sample, but easy now, let s work about this idea exactly what I'm working for, thanks for the Url ):-
19.37.17 docmojo: Cool City!
calyxa: we had a part-time programmer in the NZ office named Dion ...
19.37.33 rbutt: I think John Spirko planted the seed for these.... whatever became of him?
19.37.51 docmojo: Sandy was just asking me this morning.
calyxa: I saw him in a 'vox session within the last two months, but he's been very very quiet lately...
19.38.02 docmojo: We're concerned--he just disappeared!
19.38.11 docmojo: Ah, so he exists.
19.38.12 docmojo: Good!
calyxa: yeah, tho I don't think he's doing much mojo, if any...
19.38.24 rbutt: immediately after the alpha test
19.38.26 docmojo: Maybe he's just busy...or in love... ;-)
19.38.48 paf75fr: both of course man !
19.39.02 docmojo: Bob: If you use a fractal with Steep Steps to make a city, be sure to turn Rotation off.
19.39.09 rbutt: or he loves being busy
19.39.16 docmojo: Perhaps...
19.39.45 rbutt: which rotation?
calyxa: I kind of like how the buildings aren't all on a square grid.... tho I assume turning rotation off will clean up the rooftops?
19.40.01 docmojo: Turning rotation off can give you Borg planets. Cool.
calyxa: it's a pro-ui only thing. "rotate per octave", right?
19.40.25 docmojo: Yes.
19.40.31 paf75fr: right
19.40.54 docmojo: It won't clean up the roofs--large lacunarity will do that--it will keep everything on a rectilinear grid.
19.41.13 rbutt: oh right, I should have used a steep sided curve to prevent the rounding twds the edges... but it has a sort of decaying look
19.41.30 docmojo: You could use Curves to put streets between the buildings!
19.41.34 docmojo: Cool.
19.41.48 rbutt: and hackers road thing for highways
19.42.03 docmojo: Bulldoze dem MojoWorlds!
19.42.29 paf75fr: p'ffff right ! -(o)-
19.42.32 docmojo: It's kind of amazing that MojoWorld has caught on in Europe first.
19.42.36 docmojo: I wonder why.
calyxa: that's why ancient egyptian temples are made out of huge cubical blocks, ya know. all they had were box primitives!
19.42.48 docmojo: Showing us that Old World values are still the best? ;-)
19.42.50 rbutt: those old world seems a bit 'quaint' now what with no displacement madness going on in them
calyxa: heheh
19.43.23 rbutt: displacement is the new chrome balls over water
19.43.27 paf75fr: ...not sure guys !
19.43.47 docmojo: Ah, I ahve in insight: Is it that we got our New World a while ago, and that left the Old World hungry? >;^)
19.43.56 docmojo: HA HA HA!!!
19.44.15 docmojo: I'll show you my displaced sphere animation shortly.
19.44.19 docmojo: It's wacky!
19.44.28 paf75fr: how many frames left ?
19.44.41 paf75fr: Any new about Bernard ?
19.44.52 docmojo: Done. Now QT is loading the 1600 frame movie.
19.44.59 rbutt: so how long (as in no. of features) is the v2 feature request list so far?
19.45.17 docmojo: We're keeping it short 'n' potent.
19.45.30 docmojo: Good stuff, not Feature Bloat. ;-)
19.45.47 docmojo: I thought Hacker was gonna be here.
19.45.58 docmojo: Mayb ehe'll show--he had a busy day...
19.46.00 rbutt: yeah has Armands been and gone?
19.46.14 paf75fr: waht do you mean by hacker ?
19.46.23 docmojo: Yes, he and I did a session 5 hours ago!
19.46.35 docmojo: Bernard K. Hacker!
calyxa: Bernard "my name is Hacker, Krummen Hacker" Krummenacher
19.46.53 docmojo: Surprise of the day:
calyxa: don't suppose you have a log of it for me to post...?
19.47.11 docmojo: Armads insists he is an explorer of worlds, not a builder!
19.47.17 docmojo: That's NUTZ.
19.47.19 docmojo: ;-)
19.47.28 rbutt: hes confused bless him
19.47.31 docmojo: No, I don't. Pity!
19.47.38 docmojo: How do I grab a log?
calyxa: "next time for sure"
calyxa: click on the 'save to disk' icon between the Transmission Queue and Transmission Stream areas.
19.48.00 paf75fr: ok dockey sorry of course yeah ):-
19.48.13 docmojo: Ah, I see.
calyxa: there's two - one grabs a snapshot, the other is a toggle "continuous logging" thing.
19.48.24 docmojo: If my dish hadn't flaked, I'd still have it.
19.48.45 docmojo: Got it. Thanks!
calyxa: I've got my continuous logging thing on now, so if anything happens to my connection, I'll at least have the log to that point.
19.49.27 docmojo: (QT is digesting frames)
19.49.42 rbutt: are there any new plugins coming ?
19.49.53 paf75fr: a drink for doc' mojo !
19.49.59 rbutt: I saw you mention sdk was due soon
19.50.23 docmojo: (Too early to start that!)
calyxa: as soon as we get the Mac thing happening, I'll be building my set of 'mo normal' nodes and probably Hacker's Mandelbrot thing
19.50.48 docmojo: Dang--BBC just reported that EuroDisney is teh #1 attraction in Europe now!
19.50.50 paf75fr: Congratulations about your link via apple ! It is a cool marketing !
calyxa: dunno if I'll release my lathe, it's still too buggy
calyxa: apple link? where?
19.51.05 docmojo: American exports can be so embarassing...
19.51.14 docmojo: Thanks, paf!
19.51.35 docmojo: We have a link from the QT Apps page there now.
19.51.40 docmojo: See our Links page
calyxa: yay!
19.51.56 rbutt: Well I don't eat at Mcdonalds since the Junk Food documentary the other week
calyxa: I can't remember the last time I ate at McDonald's...
19.52.25 docmojo: Talkin' 'bout 'roo meat in the burgz?
19.52.48 rbutt: something about ecolii being cow sh*t in the burger
19.52.58 rbutt: the solution to cook it for longer
19.53.13 docmojo: Yum. >:0P
calyxa: "Don't panic, it's organic!"
19.53.17 paf75fr: Hey calyxa, check : www.pandromeda.com/page/community/links.php it links onto apple quictime samples who links onto pandromeda links who links onto apple links....
19.53.19 docmojo: Ha ha !
calyxa: thanks, patrice, I found it from the Pandromeda links page
19.53.34 docmojo: (QT up to 25 MB and climbing...)
calyxa: (they've got a stray line break in the text...)
19.54.55 paf75fr: sorry guys about Mc Do' and not Doc'Mo (!) 'cause in Europe they're encountered some prbs with employes who will dispears soons..... hard life !
19.55.12 rbutt: sweeny tod lives
19.55.15 docmojo: Employees in the burgers?
19.55.20 docmojo: Cool.
19.55.29 docmojo: Pandromeburgers.
19.55.32 rbutt: remember Soylent Green?
19.55.34 paf75fr: yes, somethings like 50 of shops will disapears in france...
19.55.47 docmojo: 'What to do with those who've outlived their usefulness." >;^)
19.55.56 paf75fr: after pac man pand' man - ( o ) - ):=- hihihi p'ff m'enfiin
19.55.58 rbutt: absolutely
19.56.14 docmojo: Soylent Green.
19.56.20 rbutt: and thats a real old film
19.56.22 docmojo: People thought it so bizaree.
19.56.24 docmojo: Not me.
calyxa: a classic, tho
19.56.30 docmojo: Protein b protein.
calyxa: yup
19.56.37 docmojo: (Me eats babies)
19.56.46 rbutt: yes at the end of the day it is
19.56.48 docmojo: Indeed, a classic!
19.56.50 paf75fr: on which node ?
19.57.16 docmojo: The coming Mange Bebe node, of course!
19.57.53 rbutt: Pandromeburgers a virtual meal in itself?
19.58.17 paf75fr: I wanna eat a planet better than in Black & white" !
19.58.25 docmojo: For virtual satisfaction!
19.58.45 docmojo: Planet Butter Sandwich?
calyxa: >groan<
19.59.00 docmojo: (Guess we'll leave that to you, Biob)
19.59.13 docmojo: Okay, now I just have to export...
19.59.22 rbutt: what buttery sandwich?
19.59.24 paf75fr: about export ....Any news about professional works on Mjw editor over the world ?
calyxa: not sure I follow your question...
20.00.35 docmojo: Yeah, planet buttery!
20.00.49 docmojo: (Wonder how big this animation will be...)
20.01.00 rbutt: utterly buttery
20.01.11 rbutt: do you have that over there?
20.01.21 paf75fr: We can found a lot of links for fun, or fantasy world, but is anybody works on mathematical procedures point of view ( a sort of mad guy ? ).... for special effects ?
calyxa: I can't believe it's not butter?
20.01.26 docmojo: Nope.
20.01.37 docmojo: Nor Wimpy's...
20.01.49 docmojo: Not yet.
20.01.52 paf75fr: Doc' upload it pleeease....
20.02.07 docmojo: I keep getting nibbles from my pals in Hollywood, but nothing yet.
20.02.17 rbutt: they couldn't use the word butter over here when that first came out..... unless it was just a marketing stunt.
20.02.19 docmojo: "Patience, Grasshopper."
20.02.22 paf75fr: ok awaiting...
20.02.23 docmojo: This will take a while...
20.02.52 docmojo: It's against the law here, too.
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calyxa: heya, infidel!
20.03.06 rbutt: Doc seen Terragens cool sunsets lately?
20.03.09 paf75fr: Could you confirm me your current local real time ( just check your watch and forget the computer ! ) ):- just curius
20.03.15 docmojo: It's either "butter"--the real stuff--or it has to be "buttery"
20.03.21 paf75fr: hello infidel
20.03.23 infidel: hey.. i'm barging in on your "euro" vox
20.03.24 docmojo: (Does that mean you are the False Bob?)
calyxa: it is almost 1PM on the west coast of the US
20.03.32 docmojo: Hey, infidel!
20.03.41 infidel: it's 4pm EST
20.03.43 rbutt: hi infidel
20.03.46 infidel: hey everyone
20.03.55 rbutt: 9pm here
calyxa: it's 8 AM tomorrow in NZ...
20.04.18 infidel: the past month or so has been great for Mojoworld, doesn't everyone agree? we're really seeing the power of the program now
20.04.41 paf75fr: cool area choice don t you think so ? thanks again everybody for this experience ):-
calyxa: and it's only going to get more powerful when the SDK is out
20.05.03 paf75fr: here 10:00 pm or 22h00 paris france
20.05.19 infidel: caly i saw that movie that doc posted, so i'm assuming you got surface normal / dot product nodes working?
calyxa: yup! they weren't that hard. I discuss them in my "novice guide" intro document to the SDK.
20.05.45 infidel: cool..
calyxa: surface normal was downright trivial.
20.06.08 infidel: my new project is to create a world that looks earth-like from space, and decent close up
20.06.27 paf75fr: too many parameters bombs no ?
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calyxa: lots and lots of fractals.
calyxa: Mo's dish must have flaked...
20.07.25 infidel: my main objective is realistic blending between altitude, latitude, and slope.. shouldn't be too hard ;)
20.07.29 paf75fr: yes he told us that before, just awaiting a few minutes....
20.07.55 paf75fr: or maybe a hacker pb p'fff ):-
calyxa: you'll want to use nested material trees to make that job a bit easier.
20.08.58 infidel: right now i have one material, diffuse blending with a function
20.08.58 infidel: can i blend materials now in the pro ui?
20.09.33 paf75fr: infidel please could you write your url if available ? I'm curious again....
calyxa: the blend between two material leaves can be a function graph... a material leaf can be an entire material tree...
20.09.49 infidel: just for my own pictures?
20.09.55 paf75fr: ok
20.10.20 infidel: hmm ok i'll have to change things around, i loaded an old world and modified it
20.10.36 infidel: http://home.cogeco.ca/~edegiuli/
20.10.41 infidel: that's my webpage, nothing new though
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20.11.14 infidel: welcome back
20.11.14 docmojo: I'm back!
calyxa: w/b
20.11.26 paf75fr: ok nice to see that url were onto my favorites before !
20.11.28 docmojo: Dish flaked again.
calyxa: figured...
20.11.36 paf75fr: hi doc feel better ?
20.11.51 docmojo: Har har.
20.12.06 docmojo: Will begin uploading said animation shortly...
20.12.08 paf75fr: what about your quick time movie please ?
20.12.32 infidel: pa75fr: my movie?
calyxa: Doc's movie
20.12.50 infidel: ok
20.12.53 rbutt: image at top....http://216.239.37.120/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.begann.de/tutorial/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbegann%26hl%3Den can we do it better in MW?
calyxa: heh, 'vox isn't recognizing that as an URL...
20.13.18 docmojo: Oh, you just have to see it. I call it "Doc Mojo's Howlucination"
20.13.49 rbutt: maybe cos it has two http?
20.14.09 paf75fr: just take care of space please
20.14.11 infidel: i just cut/paste
calyxa: and/or all the ?'s and %'s...
20.14.30 rbutt: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C215009D
20.14.36 infidel: i don't think that image really represents the best of Terragen
20.14.38 rbutt: try that
20.14.42 paf75fr: ? % should be normal but before and after the url put one space minimum for mojovox
20.14.52 rbutt: no but the sun is neat
calyxa: huh, that's cool, Bob
20.15.12 docmojo: Is ther an animation in there?
20.15.15 infidel: ahh, cool
calyxa: tutorial on terragen sunsets
calyxa: just stills
20.16.15 rbutt: could we do this in MW now with sun object or how about a plugin
20.16.33 docmojo: Cool.
20.16.42 docmojo: Terragen has an awesome atmosphere model.
calyxa: all the controls should be present in the current MW, I think... I'll need to try it out tho
20.17.06 paf75fr: .. and a 3d model for clouds, but take it easy, kiding ! ):- hihihi
20.17.08 infidel: i'm going to try right now
20.17.10 docmojo: (one minute remaining on upload)
20.17.33 paf75fr: .... ready steady go, doctor mojo !
20.17.35 rbutt: course we'll need sunspots as well :)
20.17.42 docmojo: We have 3D clouds--just no in MW yet!
calyxa: those are just dark clouds, yes? and sunspots should be trivial - just the right material on the sun sphere.
20.18.06 paf75fr: I knew that, take it easy doc'....
20.18.09 docmojo: http://www.kenmusgrave.com/animations.html
20.18.18 rbutt: done in MW development? any eg's?
20.18.22 docmojo: GRRRR!!!
20.18.25 docmojo: ;-)
20.18.34 rbutt: yes dark clouds
20.18.37 paf75fr: who was the 1rst to see it ?
20.18.52 paf75fr: too cool
20.19.39 infidel: does latitude work for the sun object?
20.19.46 docmojo: Okay, it's up at http://www.kenmusgrave.com/MojoWorld/pw07fc.mov. It turned really dark in the QT output process...
calyxa: don't follow your URLs with periods.....
20.20.01 paf75fr: beautiful mickey mouse ! doc'
calyxa: red blood cells..?
20.21.25 infidel: that's what i was thinking about using a surface normal node for!
20.21.52 docmojo: Sorry!
20.22.05 paf75fr: about clouds 4d, when was created your first cloud ? It's amazing of reality effect ! I found my professional special effect url...
20.22.16 docmojo: Yeah, they look like electron micrographs, eh?
20.22.20 infidel: i made a neuron in max last year that would be possible to create in MW now
20.22.44 docmojo: I'm rendering it at video res.
calyxa: even shrunk down I see those missing squares on the spheres, tho...
20.23.15 docmojo: There's a whole lot of stuff goiing on in the texture, that you can't see in that tiny QT movie.
20.23.22 docmojo: Yep.
20.23.32 docmojo: They be hideous in teh vid-res version.
calyxa: I'll bet that's very much like the problem I've got w/ my lathe.
20.23.39 infidel: when i made my neuron, i found adding a light source in the middle of it looked neat
calyxa: some unreasonableness in the way it calculates the subprim bounds...
calyxa: or in the transforms.
20.25.22 infidel: latitude does not seem to be working for the sub sphere
20.25.38 paf75fr: 1600 frames takes... 2/3 hours?
calyxa: how did you want latitude to affect your sphere?
20.26.17 infidel: blend from red to yellow like in the pic rbutt show
20.26.19 infidel: showed
calyxa: use UV space
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calyxa: just the V component.
20.26.52 paf75fr: nice tip ! thanks
calyxa: the rotation might be all wrong, tho, and there's no good fix for that at the moment...
20.28.09 paf75fr: no news from ialora or bernard calyxa ?
calyxa: Irene was here and gone... I have her nebula file rendering on my other machine. no word from Bernard, tho
20.29.17 paf75fr: what about your experience with 4d spacetime ?
20.29.29 paf75fr: ( to everybody ) of course ):-
20.29.51 infidel: i've never tried that
20.30.06 paf75fr: Did you use it with other source than displacement ?
20.30.17 rbutt: my stills take far too long to even consider anims
calyxa: my test earlier today worked... I think Mo's problems w/ it are related to the order things were done in.
20.32.49 paf75fr: If you move imported object with the record 'on' on transporter, it does not take effect on it and do not record movement, should I define a movement of imported object via pro Ui ?
calyxa: there is currently no way to move imported objects.
20.33.38 paf75fr: .... after e few hours of search, oupps !
calyxa: maybe, maybe w/ a really low moon orbit or something... but then only in a straight line.
20.34.49 paf75fr: yes I am agree, it was what your mean before a few hours ago about the rinho' animation... ok !
20.35.14 infidel: i'm not having any luck with this sun gradient
calyxa: I'm trying the sun gradient thing...
20.35.45 paf75fr: what do you mean, let s try to help you...
20.35.47 infidel: how are you trying it?
20.36.04 infidel: trying to get the effect shown on that page Bob posted
calyxa: w a blend driven by teh V component of UV space
20.36.35 infidel: but for which value? sunlight colour?
calyxa: diffuse on the sun sphere
calyxa: I think it's getting blown out by the light tho.
calyxa: and it looks really weird w/ a huge sun and a light source that acts like a point.
20.43.03 paf75fr: Another requirement about the user friendly interface : about global parameters, add a function for any path about load & save files location. If you organize yours qt renders on a path and mjw files on another etc etc.... thanks to take care of idea
calyxa: some OS's handle that, kinda sorta... what MW remembers as the last directory for a render save is often different from the one it remembers for a bitmap open.
20.45.33 paf75fr: yes I know, and for examples i have materials on a path, atmosphere onto another etc etc .... as usal for everyone ! ):-
20.48.44 paf75fr: what about the sdk, we are talking about that, but will it appears before the summer, if you can have a date ?
calyxa: "when we get the Mac stuff ready"...
20.49.21 infidel: ok i got that effect..
calyxa: I still need to finish my "novice guide" doc. Craig still needs to finish proofreading my changes to his reference doc...
calyxa: how?
20.49.37 infidel: as you suspected, the rotation is off though
calyxa: uv pos?
20.49.59 infidel: function on the Glow, diffuse and sunlight colour set to grey
20.50.03 infidel: yeah UV
calyxa: ah, I'd bet I'd see it if I put it on my glow as well as my diffuse...
20.52.22 paf75fr: it will be 11:00 pm 23:00 soon and must to be exit from this area soon, sorry colleagues ! ):- I try cofee but not enought....
calyxa: more on what needs to be done for the SDK to be ready - someone needs to get the Mac sample code together and I would do that, except that I don't have the right development environment on my Mac yet...
20.53.14 paf75fr: I hope infidel will correct his pb soon...
calyxa: if it's the rotation, there's not much that can be done... in the current version, anyway.
20.54.36 paf75fr: I understand your os support pb calyxa, it is not a pb, we have so many things to discover with the cuirrent mjw 1.2 release and pro ui, no pb , just awaiting... and work onit ):- good luck for all of you on the team, really, did you find time to slepp between manuals and dev' !
calyxa: maybe a little ;)
20.55.25 paf75fr: thanks a lot for your presence on the web mjw again ):-
calyxa: thanks a lot for making cool stuff with it!
20.56.55 paf75fr: I say bye everybody and thanks for this experience again, it is a really good choice of time, for me and I hope for you too ! From Paris, regards.... Patrice-Alain ( Paf ) who must to work again after holidays ):-
calyxa: have a good night!
20.57.11 infidel: see ya!
20.57.56 rbutt: yes me too, another quiet night in Euroland
20.58.05 paf75fr: thanks - (o) - don t eat too many moj' burgers ! hihihi p'fff m'enfiin www.paf75fr.com ( cable xdsl only ) cia baby
calyxa: more people here than usual, Bob... have a good night
20.58.34 infidel: night
20.58.43 rbutt: and you, night Eric all the best
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calyxa: gonna stop the log at this point, but I can hang out for a little while longer.