Mos_Be_Here: Voxin'

Mos_Be_Here : calyxa docmojo
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00.57.08 methametric: word up! :-)
00.57.36 methametric: ::knock:: ::knock:: anyone home?
00.57.41 docmojo: Yo!
00.57.45 methametric: yo!
00.57.52 docmojo: I gotta call Wayne Moore in a few.
00.58.01 docmojo: I'll be back!
00.58.05 methametric: k
00.58.11 docmojo: Meanwhile, we got 3 min.
00.58.24 docmojo: So, how are you, Meth?
00.58.36 docmojo: And what color you wanna be?
00.59.08 docmojo: On the pper left:
00.59.12 docmojo: See the anmes?
calyxa: arf
calyxa: sorry, I was away.
00.59.24 docmojo: Select one, and click the color dot.
Autoaway is off
00.59.39 docmojo: That changes their text color on the Vox/
00.59.40 docmojo: Cool.
00.59.42 methametric: orange
00.59.44 docmojo: Hey, Caly!
calyxa: hi, Mo
00.59.51 docmojo: Orange it is!
00.59.58 methametric: srry tweaking a new planet
01.00.31 docmojo: Okay, I gotta try this conf. call.
01.00.35 docmojo: I'll be back!
calyxa: heh, have fun
01.01.07 docmojo: I will!
01.01.29 methametric: back
01.01.45 methametric: arf?
calyxa: I'm on frame 40 out of 300 on an animation using Krummen Hacker's mover and nurbs and paths plugins to move a camera around.
calyxa: arf
calyxa: he's still working some bugs out tho...
01.03.04 methametric: the first preview was super cool
calyxa: the one he posted to 3d commune?
01.05.09 methametric: yeah
01.05.40 methametric: sorry with mw and vox running I get some serious llllllaaaaagggg
01.05.45 methametric: :-)
calyxa: ah well, it happens...
calyxa: I'm amazed I'm getting 7 minutes per frame with MW and vox and IE running...
01.07.55 methametric: what kind of puter'
01.07.58 methametric: ?
calyxa: some ol' 866MHz p4 dell...
calyxa: the frames are only 320 x 240 tho.
01.10.02 methametric: well that sucks.... compared to my G4s :-)
01.10.45 methametric: yuck froze
calyxa: gonna go put a kettle on for tea...
01.15.02 methametric: bumpida ba!
calyxa: ok, I'm back 'til it whistles.
01.17.27 methametric: :-P
01.17.39 methametric: =D
calyxa: 6 minutes on that last frame! I think the _more_ displacement there is the faster it renders. weird!
01.18.01 methametric: lol
01.18.08 methametric: not my experience
01.18.55 methametric: messing around with using a slope blend inside a diffuse texture
01.23.21 methametric: tea finished
01.23.23 methametric: ?
calyxa: no, hasn't whistled yet. so either the pot was very full (which I think it is) or I turned on the ...
calyxa: whistle!
calyxa: ok. that's better
01.24.49 methametric: heheh
01.25.06 methametric: =[]
01.25.12 methametric: ={}
01.25.17 methametric: =()
calyxa: it's the Paul Frank monkey!
01.25.35 methametric: lol!
01.26.14 methametric: thanks for hosting my planet btw
calyxa: no prob.
calyxa: sometimes I think that I should set up an automated 'upload' thing...
01.28.22 methametric: I might be able to script it for ya
01.29.12 methametric: why do all movies suck so much these days?
calyxa: dunno. I saw _Confessions of a Dangerous Mind_ the other day and that had its moments...
01.30.25 methametric: maybe I only go to bad movies
01.30.50 methametric: I have trouble judging their quality from the trailers
calyxa: I see so few movies that any one is a treat...
01.32.41 methametric: I think the hollywood writers are running out of ideass...
calyxa: the ancient Greeks codified all theatre in two volumes. one was drama and we still have that one today. the volume on humor was lost.
01.34.13 methametric: :-)
01.34.44 methametric: I would kill to have someone like Aristophanes around today
01.35.00 methametric: he was sort of a bigot tho...
01.35.44 methametric: actually not a bigot, just a mysoginist....
01.35.56 methametric: spelled that wrong
calyxa: not enough y's. ;)
01.37.03 methametric: :-)
calyxa: wanna see half my movie with a big mistake in it?
01.38.12 methametric: Greek tragedies are tpainful
01.38.14 methametric: sure
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/private/onepulse.mov
01.39.10 methametric: 1.3 megs!
01.39.41 methametric: I had to stop using my dish ;-(
calyxa: so you're on dialup?
01.40.08 methametric: unfortunately
01.40.42 methametric: the dish was really unreliable...
calyxa: I remember... must have been frustrating. any other options where you are?
01.41.39 methametric: I might be able to get dsl
calyxa: that's what we have here and it's OK.
01.41.56 methametric: but I'm pretty far out in the boonies
01.42.08 docmojo: (Conference calls can be pretty...boring...)
01.42.12 methametric: here?
01.42.29 methametric: hey doc!
calyxa: Wayne's on something again? a roll?
01.42.56 methametric: 1 meg so far
01.43.25 docmojo: (Yakkitty yak--don't talk back!)
01.44.45 methametric: put the phone on speaker and start screaming "WallaWallaWalla!" while dancing around the room.....that always cures boredom :-)
calyxa: best to just let Wayne do his thing... could pay off some day.
01.45.21 methametric: that's awesome caly!
calyxa: thanks!
calyxa: but the roses should be going 'pulse pulse' the whole time, not just the once at the beginning...
01.46.03 methametric: It would be sorta hypnotic :-)
calyxa: and I have no idea what phase of pulse it'll be in when the camera passes between those two...
calyxa: so it could be a train wreck...
01.46.34 methametric: :-(
calyxa: there'll just be a couple frames of inside terrain garbage... no big deal.
01.47.28 methametric: you can probably edit those out
calyxa: depends on how far the camera moves in that time... replace'em with black or something.
calyxa: it may not happen, tho. it may be the roses are dormant at that point.
01.48.12 methametric: what is the "subject" of tonites vox' anyway?
calyxa: rivers.
01.48.27 methametric: ahhhhh
calyxa: we're due to start in 12 minutes or so...
calyxa: "officially"...
01.48.55 methametric: I'm really early :-)
01.49.04 methametric: =)
calyxa: I was 'late' and Mo was already here when I got here.
01.49.41 docmojo: Nanny goat!
calyxa: Mo, you see my mistake movie?
01.50.01 docmojo: No.
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/private/onepulse.mov
01.51.14 methametric: brb getting soda
01.51.55 docmojo: Wacky!
calyxa: the mistake is that the roses are supposed to pulse thru the whole flight, not just once at the beginning.
01.52.25 docmojo: I see...
01.52.27 methametric: I love having a mini-fridge in my room ;-0
calyxa: I'm on frame 49 of 300 in the corrected version.
01.52.41 docmojo: Throbbing Gristle
01.52.47 methametric: lol
calyxa: did you see my latest at 3dc?
01.52.56 docmojo: No
01.53.07 methametric: yeah!
calyxa: (digging up url...)
calyxa: http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/galview.mv?MojoWorld+1QfsdSanU+1045781218
01.53.50 methametric: is that the underwater sooper dooper secrit thing or is it just an atmospheric thing?
calyxa: in that one, it's just an atmospheric thing.
01.54.11 docmojo: Yo!
calyxa: sooper dooper underwater looks way better.
01.54.16 methametric: yo!
01.54.32 methametric: have you tried using it with the roses?
calyxa: the sooper dooper underwater? yeah.
01.55.41 methametric: I hate "Freinds"
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01.56.01 methametric: yo!
calyxa: allo!
01.56.59 paf75fr: Good Evening Everybody ;-)
01.58.14 methametric: ...
01.58.30 docmojo: Hey, Paf!
01.58.51 methametric: !
01.59.00 paf75fr: Hard life, I wanna take a cofee because of it's soon 3h00 am for me hehe
calyxa: I was wondering!
01.59.14 methametric: -!-
calyxa: pAris, yes?
02.00.00 paf75fr: Correct, the center near Notre Dame, Hotel de ville, La seine etc
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calyxa: hi, Lil!
02.00.27 methametric: it heatin' up around here!
02.00.28 paf75fr: join the club Asteroid
02.00.34 methametric: !
02.00.46 Asteroid_Lil: Hi yall! Dang, I must remember to shorten this handle
calyxa: send me email and I can take care of it for you.
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calyxa: heya, Bruce!
02.01.20 methametric: Bruce!
02.01.21 Pushinfaders: Howdy Gang
02.01.21 methametric: !
02.01.23 Asteroid_Lil: Just call me Lil, ok? Right, Caly, will do
calyxa: I have all-powers over vox handles ;)
02.01.47 Asteroid_Lil: lol
02.02.23 Asteroid_Lil: In keeping with what I've learned about the character of this group, all my questions are totally off-topic
02.02.44 methametric: stupid sitcoms! ::bangs head against wall::
calyxa: kill your television. (at least until 8pm when Survivor comes on... sigh...)
calyxa: (guilty pleasure, that...)
02.03.18 methametric: lol
02.03.50 methametric: I actually have to go to school tomorrow :-(
02.04.03 paf75fr: Doc & Calyxa, is that the correct chanel for rivers today ?
calyxa: it's the one we're in, so it'll do.
02.05.03 paf75fr: Is anybody wants a cofee or a beer for this meeting :-) ?
calyxa: just had some tea... depending on what shows up for dinner, I may open a bottle of wine...
02.05.33 methametric: I've got my Mountain Dew thank you :-)
02.05.37 Asteroid_Lil: Got a bev thanks. So virtual food is in use here too, eh?
02.05.43 docmojo: Whiskey, please.
02.05.50 methametric: lol doc
02.06.06 methametric: lil' worn out after that conference call?
02.06.19 paf75fr: Jack Daniel ? or whiskey, oh yes that's time for you !
calyxa: there's still Bombay in the freezer, but I wanted a hot drink.
02.06.30 Pushinfaders: Scotch or Ryce Doc?
02.06.32 docmojo: Jim Beam.
02.07.43 Asteroid_Lil: Anybody from Europe here tonight?
02.07.52 paf75fr: Ok Doc' ! You got it, a tea from sealan for Calyxa, how about on the Rocks for other team, kind of displacements :-) ?
calyxa: paf's in pAris, Lil
02.08.19 paf75fr: I'm afraid not a lot of people from Europe, but 'hope so
02.08.43 docmojo: (And yes, it's that time.)
02.08.52 paf75fr: (it's a quite normal after a couple of years with you )
02.09.02 docmojo: (But I'm trying to land some $$ here!)
02.09.18 Pushinfaders: That's important!!
02.09.28 Asteroid_Lil: Agreed
calyxa: fingers x'd...
02.09.59 Pushinfaders: I really haven't had time to play with the new river gen
02.10.05 methametric: logarithms are pointless
calyxa: no, me neither... but I keep wanting to do a world that's 4 or 5 different river-continents...
02.10.37 docmojo: (Ooo--them's fightin' words!)
02.10.40 paf75fr: How many full licenses now for Mjw x (not only transporter ) ? Curious... yes !
calyxa: not enough
02.11.03 methametric: fightin' words?
02.11.03 Asteroid_Lil: I have played with it. I had some crashes but they had to do with the world I plugged the river terrain into. Works a treat on a vanilla world
02.11.19 docmojo: Logs.
calyxa: weren't you the one who found the 'spring density larger than 1' crash?
02.11.50 Asteroid_Lil: yes *modest burnish of nails*
02.11.59 methametric: logs are just a more complicated way to express an exponential function
02.12.02 paf75fr: I'd tried rivers just twice, but it take really to many time to find good parameters, isn t it possible to have a preview of it in opengl mode ?
02.12.08 methametric: and therefore are pointless
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02.12.28 methametric: so many people!
02.12.42 Asteroid_Lil: don't logs come into their own when you use a slide rule?
calyxa: a river terrain previews in the RTR, it just takes time to resolve detail...
calyxa: hi, thalaxis
02.13.04 thalaxis-usa: Hello!
02.13.13 Asteroid_Lil: hi thalaxis
02.13.15 methametric: !
02.13.18 thalaxis-usa: 14,400 baud. Aargh...
calyxa: oog. then you do not want to see my mistake movie
02.13.44 methametric: lol
02.13.46 paf75fr: welcome Thalaxis !
02.14.00 thalaxis-usa: My battery would probably not last long enough for the download :/
02.14.22 methametric: no logs don't come into their own.... ever....because I say so
02.14.24 paf75fr: just put your Mjw render in pause mode :-)
02.14.34 methametric: and I hate them
02.14.39 Asteroid_Lil: WARNING -- this participant is NOT an engineer
02.15.18 methametric: WARNING -- this participant IS an obstinate jackass ;-)
02.15.29 Asteroid_Lil: lol
02.15.42 paf75fr: About rtr & rivers : is tyhere a parameter or must we just wait to adjust detail levels on opengl ?
02.15.49 docmojo: "They hates you!"
02.15.58 methametric: who?
calyxa: logs
02.16.32 methametric: I'ma gonna have a shoot out with doc about logarithms!
calyxa: I usually try to put a camera high above the planet to see the entire river object and do several small low res test renders..
calyxa: to get an overall 'lay of the land'
02.16.46 thalaxis-usa: I'll forgive you, Lil ;)
02.17.13 methametric: draw!
02.17.25 Asteroid_Lil: Now you're talking! I do art
02.17.31 Asteroid_Lil: I kin draw
02.17.47 methametric: no draw your guns!
02.18.45 Asteroid_Lil: I haven't tried to put more than one river terrain on a planet; doesn't that slow everything down a lot? Or does the rtr only worry about what's in the frame?
02.18.47 docmojo: (Don't go nonlinear on me!)
02.18.55 docmojo: >;^)
calyxa: theoretically the RTR worries about stuff closest to the camera first.
02.19.24 Asteroid_Lil: oh, theoretically.
calyxa: I'm pretty sure I've had two river terrains on a planet w/o any trouble...
02.19.38 thalaxis-usa: Theoretically?
calyxa: I don't know for sure, I haven't seen the code, I never got a coherent explanation...
calyxa: the brain extraction and transfer was a failure...
02.20.34 Asteroid_Lil: It always comes back to Craig, doesn't it
02.20.36 thalaxis-usa: Ah.
02.20.51 paf75fr: (stupid question of the day) Is that possible to synchronize river properties with water or ocean I mean the material of course ?
02.20.56 thalaxis-usa: That Craig, always causing trouble...
calyxa: you can choose the same material off the appropriate DDLB...
02.22.12 paf75fr: I saw movie from Pandromeda stuff on community, it's amazing the result in the time !
calyxa: which movie was that?
02.23.07 paf75fr: I check to confirm in a few minutes, comes from Doc' url
02.23.17 methametric: why why why???
02.23.49 paf75fr: Doc do not forget your dog on the snow :-=
02.23.57 Asteroid_Lil: I observe that the river terrain adopts the material of the planet -- but ignores the texture. Would be nice to have the option to adopt existing terrain.
thalaxis-usa has quit MojoVox.
calyxa: that's a _very very_ complex problem, Lil...
02.24.26 paf75fr: our colleague encountered pbs with his modem....
02.24.32 Pushinfaders: two seperate entities
calyxa: someday it'll incorporate using pre-defined bitmap texture...
calyxa: but using the underlying MW procedural texture is probably a long way off...
02.25.15 Asteroid_Lil: You mean, like we could save the texture and then invoke it separately in the river terrain?
02.26.20 methametric: ::sob::
calyxa: that's a future feature of the direction the Rivers plugin is headed... I don't know how long it'll be before that's available, tho.
02.26.45 Asteroid_Lil: *hands methametric a drawing of a gun*
02.26.54 paf75fr: Find it on the area gallery - animation called Rivers rapids from Brian Sharpe 2002-5-14
calyxa: ah yeah, that's a good one.
02.27.15 Pushinfaders: AH, the sideways water one
calyxa: I'm not sure of all the tricks Brian used in that one.
02.27.49 methametric: ::shoots page full o' frustrating logs::
02.28.10 paf75fr: Do you mean it d called rivers but could be an ocean or water and not river fropm the Mjw point of view ?
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02.28.59 methametric: wb thalaxis
calyxa: a water material is a water material... it's the special blending that goes on in the river terrain object that puts the water material where your rivers are
02.29.06 Asteroid_Lil: s/he's baaack
02.29.09 thalaxis-usa: THanks.
calyxa: w/b
02.29.22 thalaxis-usa: (he)
02.29.32 Asteroid_Lil: I'll remember that
02.29.55 paf75fr: yes w/b !
02.29.59 thalaxis-usa: I'm sure the uid makes it obvious :-D
02.30.24 thalaxis-usa: I need broadband... so, did I miss anything exciting?
02.30.38 Asteroid_Lil: earlier question hasn't been answered, I don't think, about blending water materials between river terrain and surrounding ocean
02.30.44 methametric: nooooooo!!!!!
02.31.16 Asteroid_Lil: thalaxis, in my experience, no handle is ever obvious ;-)
02.31.25 methametric: my world!!
02.31.37 thalaxis-usa: THat doesn't mean we can't joke about it!
02.31.43 Asteroid_Lil: lol
02.31.52 Pushinfaders: If you use a different water on a river..it may look weird where it encounters the ocean
calyxa: the easiest thing is to use the same water material everywhere - for the river, for the ocean within the PB and for the ocean on the world.
02.32.17 methametric: you can fix that in pshop
02.32.29 methametric: It actually looks pretty cool
02.32.45 Asteroid_Lil: like most deltas, actually
02.32.59 thalaxis-usa: Hm... I guess modelling the tidewater isn't easy then, eh?
02.33.22 Pushinfaders: I live in the "Tide water"
calyxa: Krummen Hacker was doing a bit of that sort of thing w/ his breaking waves plugin, but I don't think he's updated that for 2.0
02.33.57 methametric: ack! bruce! bad joke! ;-)
02.33.59 Pushinfaders: it's on his site as a 2.0 plugin
calyxa: and I did some image a while back where I had 'the same' material on the river, in the ocean inside the PB and the outside ocean... where there were slight differences in the displacement textures...
calyxa: http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/galview.mv?MojoWorld+1QfsdSanU+1040607317
02.35.15 paf75fr: Yes, thanks for his advanced work, is there somebody here who knows advanced programation of Mjw, I hezitate to spend time for this point of view, but it's seems to be the best way
02.35.44 methametric: I think that effect is cool
02.36.33 Asteroid_Lil: gah. DNS error
02.36.48 docmojo: Okay, here I am.
02.36.52 methametric: mo!
calyxa: so, how's Wayne?
02.37.01 methametric: now for our shootout
02.37.06 paf75fr: this url is a nice shot, congratulations Calyxa ! Did you used basics parameters or do you have any tip ?
02.37.15 docmojo: And no, I didn't lamnd millions of $$. :-)
02.37.41 docmojo: Wayne is well and fine.
02.37.41 Asteroid_Lil: not even tens of thous?
02.37.50 docmojo: "Not yet." ;-)
02.37.52 paf75fr: w/b doc , pleasure to see you not only on bryce rings n'co !
calyxa: just that tip about starting with clones of the same water material in the rivers, and ocean inside and outside of teh PB, then make minor changes to those cloned materials...
02.38.17 docmojo: Beating the bushes, as we say here in America!
02.38.28 docmojo: Hey Caly:
02.38.33 Asteroid_Lil: can't beat em enough, imo
02.38.38 docmojo: How do we blend the water mat
02.38.41 docmojo: inside and outside
02.38.46 docmojo: the Rivers PB?
02.38.48 methametric: ::fires his "magnum" at doc"
calyxa: response curve on the PB... but really, they should be very similar to avoid discontinuities.
02.39.13 docmojo: That goes into the Log, Meth.
02.39.16 docmojo: Know that.
02.39.20 docmojo: ;-)
02.39.35 methametric: dang! ::gives bamby eyes::
calyxa: if you whisper to him, meth, it won't show in my copy of the log.....
02.40.08 docmojo: "Who Killed Bambi?"
calyxa: and if you whisper obscenities to him, you'll induce Tourettes-like outbursts, 'cuz he never recognizes what's a whisper and what's just said out loud...
02.40.14 methametric: it's hard to quiet down my magnum :-)
02.40.23 methametric: lol!
02.40.23 paf75fr: the Moscow eye hehe :-)
02.41.09 methametric: damnit! logarithms do have a purpose!
02.41.25 methametric: no!
02.41.30 Pushinfaders: Is there a realistic limit to the size of a Rive PB?
02.41.32 docmojo: Yes: to tame the wildly exponential!
02.41.38 methametric: my world is turned upside down!
02.41.54 methametric: and solve the wildly exponential
02.41.55 docmojo: Push: Yes.
02.41.55 paf75fr: Did I told you a Full Two Pages were about Mojoworld Generator onto the magazine called 'Compter Art' ? Good points for marketing folks !
calyxa: talk to XenoArch about that.
02.42.03 docmojo: Caly, do you knwo what it is?
calyxa: bug in the power node, I'm guessing.
02.42.29 docmojo: Hey, that's good news, Paf!
calyxa: fractional exponents and all that good stuff?
02.42.35 docmojo: I didn't know...
02.42.50 Pushinfaders: I knew there was a size limit, i just don't remember
02.43.14 Pushinfaders: Next Month renderosity's mag will have a Mojo review
02.43.23 docmojo: Rivers and LOD are hard to reconcile.
02.43.32 docmojo: That's why we have Jim on it.
02.43.38 docmojo: Takes a genius.
02.43.58 paf75fr: Is there limits because of computer perf' at this time or because of mathematical reasons ?
02.44.05 docmojo: WAY smarter than we mortals!
02.44.13 docmojo: Math.
02.44.27 Pushinfaders: genius, as opposed to sub genius
02.44.29 docmojo: It's so much harder than it appears...
02.44.31 paf75fr: respect master :-)
02.44.38 docmojo: EXACTLY.
02.44.54 docmojo: ;-)
02.45.15 docmojo: Rivers are "context sensitve."
02.45.17 docmojo: Ask any
02.45.30 docmojo: theoretical computer scientist
02.45.32 docmojo: about that
02.45.38 docmojo: and they'll tell you
02.45.43 docmojo: "forget it."
02.45.58 paf75fr: maybe out of the current topic : is there a possibel network render mode as view in lightwave, vue d'esprit n'co ? I ask cause we are really not hard gamers but hard mjworlds generators !?
calyxa: can't be done
02.46.19 Asteroid_Lil: You've tried?
02.46.19 docmojo: No, just wildly impractical.
02.46.35 docmojo: Network rendering is possib;e.
02.46.40 docmojo: Macs make it painful
02.46.47 docmojo: (under OS <X).
02.46.58 methametric: don't be bangin' the macs! :-)
02.47.00 Pushinfaders: a much asked for feature
02.47.05 paf75fr: thanks, just wait dur to rhe repsect of developers' team who must work a lot of !
02.47.16 docmojo: But we must be x-platform
02.47.22 docmojo: or Caly puts
02.47.27 docmojo: my head on stick.
calyxa: Mo,could we do network rendering for windows and OS X and just tell the os 9 people to lump it?
02.47.49 docmojo: Yeah, f___ 'em. >;^)
02.47.54 methametric: hey!