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calyxa: heya, Chas
01.04.56 Chas: Hey yo Homie
01.05.15 Chas: Thought I'd chack in early.
calyxa: I ought to u/l my Aeroplane pic...
calyxa: Krummen Hacker got me going...
01.05.36 Chas: Where be?
calyxa: hang on a sec...
01.06.28 Chas: I have to go shower and stuff for radio... so I'm just gonna leave this on and go do things.
01.06.35 Chas: Hanging...
calyxa: you get those tunes of mine?
calyxa: here's the plane - I gave up on it, the renderer didn't like it ... it's made by using the Pro UI to displace a cylinder - http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/bahplane.jpg
01.07.58 Chas: Not yet... I may have to make a quick run out for blank CDs... I'm desperately trying to find at least one blank here... Arghhh
01.08.39 Chas: FUCK... that is WHACKED
01.08.58 Chas: In essence... it's actually a mojoworld, huh?
calyxa: no, it's a cylinder.
calyxa: Krummen Hacker tried to make a plane out of a 'box' primtiive...
01.09.43 Chas: So... how does he make an aurport? Wait... nevermind... I could never even begin
calyxa: it's Pro UI insanity, that's for sure.
01.10.04 Chas: Anyway... I'll be back in a while
calyxa: k'.
01.10.13 Chas: Shower time
01.39.10 Chas: I am away.
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calyxa: hi, Stevo
02.08.08 Stevo: Hi Calyxa
02.08.20 Stevo: Hi Chas
calyxa: Chas is off showering.. and / or lurking...
02.08.50 Stevo: What's Going on these Days
calyxa: I made an airplane out of a cylinder... but the renderer doesn't like it.
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/bahplane.jpg
02.09.47 Stevo: How did you do that?
02.09.53 Stevo: In MW?
calyxa: yeah, in MW... using a cylinder primitive and a displacement material where the displacement is driven by a somewhat complex function graph.
02.10.34 Stevo: Pretty Cool
calyxa: yeah, too bad the renderer doesn't like it...
02.10.46 Stevo: Inspirational
calyxa: I may try a few more whacks at it...
02.11.11 Stevo: Blame Canada
calyxa: heh.
calyxa: I blame Krummen Hacker...
02.11.28 Stevo: Uh oh
calyxa: he made a plane out of a 'box' primitive, but it has problems...
02.11.48 Stevo: I'll have to try it
02.12.06 Stevo: Hey, Do you have last weeks journal
calyxa: yeah, I haven't posted it tho...
02.12.31 Stevo: My computer booted me off last week
calyxa: and in the copy I was going to post, I hacked off a bunch of the stuff that was just you and me at the end...
02.12.42 Stevo: I lost it
02.13.03 Stevo: That's probably for the best
02.13.15 Stevo: You're editing, that is
02.13.24 Stevo: That would be your
calyxa: heh. yeah. I've edited more than a few of these things...
calyxa: Krummen Hacker asked me the other day if I'd get the logs put up, tho -- he accused me of holding out on him.
calyxa: heh
02.14.03 Stevo: Where's the Doc, again?
calyxa: this week he's not here 'cuz it's his SO's birthday
02.14.19 Stevo: Impatience?
02.14.31 Stevo: 50?
calyxa: Significant Other
02.14.46 Stevo: ahh
02.15.06 Stevo: I thought it was another Dalek invasion
calyxa: the Intel guy took the GDC machine away this morning... snif!
02.16.04 Stevo: That was a fast one!
calyxa: I had it render a QTVR that was 4096 on a side and that took a couple days.
02.16.25 Stevo: Twice as fast as my P4
02.16.50 Stevo: That must be poster size?
calyxa: not for print -- for a net plugin thing called 'zoomify'.
02.17.28 Stevo: Eh?
calyxa: http://www.zoomify.com/
calyxa: it's a way of streaming high-res data
02.18.13 Stevo: I'll have to check it out
calyxa: it's pretty cool. only downloads the bits you need on demand...
02.19.17 Stevo: I like your pick on the site
02.19.21 Stevo: the new one
02.19.44 Stevo: I guess you used a few Bombs
calyxa: which site? 3d commune? or has Chas been updating the Pandromeda gallery again?
02.19.58 Stevo: 3D
calyxa: which pic? I haven't done anything w/ bombs...
calyxa: lately
02.20.17 Stevo: I mean the Gallery
calyxa: the 'Weeping Minaret' pic? that's all done w/ displacement and a small water sphere...
02.21.51 Stevo: Water Sphere?
02.22.20 Stevo: Are you texturing a sphere
calyxa: a sphere w/ a water material applied to it -- it only works if the sphere is really small (less than 20 meters or so) and is very close to or touching the planet's surface.
02.22.37 Stevo: ok
02.22.49 Stevo: Pretty cool
02.23.46 Stevo: Have you been playing with the grass pluggin?
calyxa: up until last night. now that the machine is gone, I can't...
02.24.14 Stevo: Truely sad
calyxa: not unless Craig comes through w/ a P3 version...
calyxa: he's been teasing me about it, so I hold out some hope that I'll see one.
02.25.05 Stevo: There's always hope
02.25.29 Stevo: By the way, I just finished my build on my new P4
calyxa: your build of?
calyxa: building the machine, you mean?
02.25.52 Stevo: yes
calyxa: cool. new hardware can be fun.
02.26.13 Stevo: It's slow now
02.26.19 Stevo: I have to tweak it
calyxa: clock chipping?
02.26.32 Stevo: yes
02.26.36 Stevo: from the bios
02.26.51 Stevo: it's a new asus that's very advanced
calyxa: I'll have to take your word for it...
02.27.07 Stevo: I can boost all sorts of things
02.27.32 Stevo: My 733 Celeron is faster at this point
02.28.08 Stevo: Still, two P4's will be fun and usefull
calyxa: well, send me your MW benchmark when you get it tweaked..
02.28.16 Stevo: OK
02.28.41 Stevo: I doubt I'll catch Hacker
calyxa: dunno what tweaks he's done to his machine...
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calyxa: hi bryn!
02.29.24 bryn: hello!
02.29.24 Stevo: Hi Bryn
02.29.37 bryn: Is this a scheduled or unscheduled thursday night meeting?
02.29.52 bryn: and where does one find a schedule to know ahead of time?
calyxa: scheduled, tho I'm not sure if an annoucement ever went out..
02.30.06 Chas: Hey all, I'm back for a minute
02.30.10 Stevo: Chas mentioned it
02.30.17 Stevo: via email
02.30.26 Chas: I sent out an email to mojonauts@pandromeda
02.30.28 Stevo: Hey Chas
02.30.33 Chas: Yo
calyxa: you still haven't put me on that list, then, 'cuz I don't think I ever got it...
02.30.46 bryn: ah... I'm a little behind on the email front
02.30.48 Chas: I gotta run for my radio show soon.
02.30.49 Stevo: You off to radio land?
02.31.11 Chas: MojoVox is every Thursday nite 9pm est, 6pm west coast
02.31.25 Chas: Radioactivity
02.31.36 bryn: So is there a good forum to post RW pictures to solicit suggestions on how to get similar effects from mojoworld?
calyxa: tho probably not next thursday, 'cuz Doc will be here and we'll be busy busy busy w/ the GDC
02.31.41 Chas: Coffee's ready... be back in a minute
02.31.59 Chas: Oh yeah... next Thirsday is no good for thast reason
calyxa: RW?
02.32.06 bryn: real world
calyxa: heh!
calyxa: not sure...
02.33.27 bryn: I was walking on the beach in montana de oro state park (CA) and I saw some really great bluffs and rock landscapes, very fractal, yet very not fractal in the mojoworld typical scenes
calyxa: I'd need to check on how attaching images works at the 3d commune...
calyxa: I know you can u/l pix to the gallery, but those are supposed to be MW only
calyxa: I know it's trivial to link to images in the 3d commune forum, but that assumes you have webspace of your own...
02.35.19 bryn: well, i guess it would be a test in people's opinions of mojoworld if they asked how I did it.
calyxa: hehe
02.35.45 bryn: I can get my hand on some, I was just curious about the most appropriate place for that sort of discussion
calyxa: the most active group is at 3d commune... there's also a MW msgboard at renderosity, but things are slow there.
02.36.45 bryn: So did I miss a crowd of people tonight by joining late or was it a slow discussion night?
calyxa: there's also a new forum at http://www.badassgraphics.com/ but that's brand new and so not many people know about it
calyxa: slow night.
calyxa: been just me and Stevo and a sleeping Chas for the most part
calyxa: we're halfway thru the "official" time.
02.37.27 bryn: Have you ever seen it where mojoworld just quits (crashes?) without notice while left to render?
02.38.02 Stevo: it's rare
calyxa: a couple times - it's usually a memory thing.
02.38.13 Stevo: only once, for me
calyxa: watch out for complex, steep-sided terrains...
02.39.01 bryn: ah.... I'm simulating grass with a bunch of spikes generated from a fractal function, and I currently only have 256MB though more arrives tomorrow (hope hope)
02.39.06 bryn: and I was making a big render
calyxa: that'd probably do it...
02.39.31 bryn: So where are you guys located on this multi multi multi multi fractal planet commonly referred to as earth?
calyxa: Silly Clone Valley
02.40.04 Chas: Gotta run. I'll have to grab those songs for next week, Caly. I'm out of blank CDs (grrr)
02.40.11 Stevo: pump up your virtual memory
calyxa: OK, see ya later, Chas
02.40.24 Stevo: See ya Chas
02.40.31 Chas: I'll also send out an email to get feedback on best times to Vox
02.40.37 bryn: Ahh asphault, high rent and traffic are my favorite parts about living there! I'm in Santa Clara, where the fractal landscapes are few and far between (bulldozed by 1950s houses and tech companies)
calyxa: cool.
02.40.44 Chas: Toodles all.
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calyxa: Sunnyvale, bryn - we should do lunch!
02.41.10 bryn: that would be fun
calyxa: I met up w/ Chris Drake last week, he's in Mountain View.
calyxa: we could have a local MW user's group, whee!
02.42.03 bryn: I expect there are lots of people in the silicon valley
calyxa: "people" being defined as "MojoWorld users", right? ;)
02.42.35 bryn: It might help everybody get up the learning curve faster to have a get together and explain how worlds were made and so on
02.43.01 bryn: yes, sorry, my precise-osity is low tonight
calyxa: n/p.
02.43.28 bryn: So what radio station does Chas work for?
calyxa: Mo's in town as of next Wednesday, thru Sunday. www.wcsb.org (I think, lemme double-check)
calyxa: yeah, that's it.
calyxa: it's in Cleveland. I listen using iTunes on my cube.
calyxa: his show is 11 - 1 Eastern
calyxa: on thursdays.
02.45.19 bryn: wow, pandromeda employees seem to be fractally distributed across the globe
02.45.28 Stevo: hehe
calyxa: yup, that's very true
02.45.41 bryn: so stevo, where are you located?
02.45.47 Stevo: NJ
02.45.55 Stevo: Near the Ocean
02.46.04 Stevo: Spring Lake
02.46.05 bryn: the jersey shore?
02.46.11 Stevo: yes
02.46.30 bryn: I have a lot of friends from new jersey, but I've only been near newark and princeton, never to the shore
02.46.32 Stevo: I'm envious of your terrain
02.46.44 bryn: Do you still get the jersey humidity at the shore?
02.46.59 Stevo: Definitely
calyxa: ding dong, the pizza's here, yay!
02.47.19 Stevo: Two Humidifiers a day in the summer
02.47.19 bryn: the terrain in california is great, but in the bay it's not extremely exciting in my opinion
02.47.30 bryn: ah the meal of silicon valley champions
calyxa: Pizz'a Chicago
02.47.40 Stevo: that would be dehumidifiers
calyxa: brb.
02.48.02 bryn: so stevo, how long have you been working with mojoworld?
02.48.16 Stevo: NJ lacks terrain
02.48.30 Stevo: But the shore is cool
02.48.37 Stevo: Warm water in the summer
02.48.45 Stevo: 70's
02.48.53 bryn: that's nice, even in the summer the ocean is really really cold here
02.48.58 bryn: comes from alaska
02.49.10 Stevo: Yeh, that sucks
02.49.14 Stevo: Wet suit
02.49.21 bryn: doesn't warm up until near LA which has it's own issues
02.49.45 Stevo: I like the 12,000 foot mountain idea
02.49.53 bryn: wet suits are only good for keeping your body warm over time, they don't do anything about that initial shock when you step in the 58 degree water
02.50.22 bryn: what 12000 foot mountain idea?
02.50.31 Stevo: i'm crossing my legs thinking about it
calyxa: Whitney? been there, done that w/ the wetsuit thing
02.51.29 Stevo: I thought they climbed that high in CA
calyxa: Stevo, you should show bryn some of your animations, if you still have'em on line
02.51.46 bryn: oh right, I forget about whitney, tahoe area is much closer so that's what I think of
calyxa: I'd think so, some of the passes over to Tahoe are at 8000-9000 feet, right?
02.52.25 bryn: yeah somewhere about there, I know the top of heavenly ski area is in the 10000 range
02.52.36 Stevo: That's awesome
02.52.37 bryn: how's the thick pizza?
calyxa: delish, as always
02.52.48 Stevo: The Pizza is great here
02.53.04 bryn: By the way, that benchmark thing turned out pretty cool, thanks for organizing the results. I definitely figured out that having more memory would help a lot
02.53.18 Stevo: how did you do
calyxa: it's certainly interesting. I remember when there was a similar one for Bryce...
02.53.58 Stevo: Hacker is king of the hill
02.54.05 bryn: I have a p4 1.7xeon that I run my renders on with 256MB of RAM and i got somewhere around 5 minutes
calyxa: 'cept for that GDC box w/ the optimized build...
02.54.19 Stevo: That's good
02.54.50 bryn: but my default normal setting with default.mjw wasn't the resolution calyxa specified so I was wondering whether some machines which ought to be slower than mine were actually running at a lower res
02.55.09 bryn: oh, the 2.2 had an optimized build? I was wondering why it was 2x my speed
calyxa: if you use the Transporter UI, it should always be exactly the same size
02.55.24 bryn: oh, I see, I missed that in the instructions
calyxa: yeah, I put up a second entry for the GDC machine using the plain 1.1 build.
calyxa: it's 30 seconds slower than the optimized.
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02.56.23 bryn: I've being called for ollaliberry pie and ice cream so I better run, I'll talk to you guys later. Calyxa I'll email you about meeting for lunch sometime.
calyxa: cool, enjoy your pie!
02.56.50 bryn: enjoy the pizza! bye
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calyxa: w/b...
calyxa: bryn had to leave for pie and icecream.
03.00.09 Stevo: I was hacked