GDCgossip: what Mo did at the Game Developer's Conference

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calyxa: hola
01.23.30 docmojo: Ho de do...
calyxa: mail still seems to be a bit constipated...
01.24.02 docmojo: Yes, it does...
calyxa: it took an hour for my mail to Julian saying 'vox is down' to get back to me. usually that's almost immediate...
calyxa: there was mail from Bryn to the mojoworld.org list asking if there was 'vox tonight and I replied - but that reply hasn't shown up here yet...
01.25.39 docmojo: Julian says he saw it...
calyxa: hurm...
calyxa: Bryn's original or my reply?
01.26.35 docmojo: I got 'em all here, too.
calyxa: I just sent a test msg to you and Julian and me... we'll see who gets what when, I guess.
01.28.04 docmojo: Okay.
calyxa: so, I uploaded a tutorial on the curve editor today... still under wraps 'til I find out that I haven't made any heinous errors - http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/tutorial/bigT/curveeditor.html
01.32.10 docmojo: Still haven't got your email.
calyxa: me neither.
calyxa: usually it comes right back...
01.33.24 docmojo: I recommend an intro paragraph in your tutorial explaining what the CE is and why people should care.
01.33.47 docmojo: Got your email...
calyxa: I'm figuring by the time they get to that tutorial, they'll know what the curve editor is but they'll be mad at it 'cuz they can't figure it out.
calyxa: I still don't have my email...
01.39.44 docmojo: Sounds like the prob is on your end.
calyxa: just got mail to the mojoworld.org list from Fraser timestamped an hour ago...
calyxa: just got wads of email
calyxa: and it now seems to be relatively sane (my reply to Julian's test came back to me within seconds...)
01.48.04 docmojo: Mailereha?
calyxa: here's another tutorial thingie that I uploaded not too long ago -- waiting on this one 'til Bernard announces his plugins - http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/tutorial/anim/kh.html
calyxa: btw - timestamps on your email is still fubar - not as bad as it was when it was April, but it's still off by nearly an hour.
01.51.47 docmojo: Looks okay to us here...
01.52.28 docmojo: What;s the ETA on Hacker's plugin?
01.52.40 docmojo: People keep asking me for animation...
calyxa: should have been "today" - I sent him the Mac builds yesterday...
01.55.01 docmojo: Cool!
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calyxa: hi, Lil!
02.03.07 Lil: Hi Caly! *genuflect to Doc Mojo*
02.04.07 docmojo: Hey, Lil!
calyxa: ok, I guess my mail problems are here on this end...sigh. just sent another msg to Julian about that...
02.04.46 Lil: Hi Doc! I thought I'd stay quiet till others get here so you only have to tell us how things are in NZ once
calyxa: heh, I'd ask Mo to make kissy-faces at the gang for me, but they're having a hard enough time as it is.
02.06.57 Lil: last week I was the pesky newbie with two advanced users. Drove them away, I did. :-/
calyxa: were you here last week? IIRC, Mo and I were drinking.
02.09.38 Lil: so I discovered. As I said, there were just 3 of us, and I bent their ears about truly basic stuff. But I have finally been able to replicate the effect you achieved with Rohrshach. :-) Displacements rule
02.09.48 docmojo: The weather is changinf by the hour here, as usual.
02.10.05 Lil: are you on the north or south island?
calyxa: no displacements in Rorschach... distortions, yes...
calyxa: Dunedin, on the South Island
02.10.50 Lil: ah? then I found another way to do it. Only newbies can accomplish the unintentional
calyxa: yup! that's why we love you newbies ;)
02.11.42 docmojo: South end of the South Island
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calyxa: hey, Bruce
02.11.52 docmojo: Hey, Bryce!
02.11.55 pushinfaders: Greetings!!
02.11.56 docmojo: Bruce!
02.11.59 Lil: Hallo Bruce
02.12.02 pushinfaders: Mo !!
02.12.06 docmojo: Yo!
02.12.27 Lil: this is one of the fellows i pestered last week...
02.12.45 pushinfaders: what up in NZ Doc??
calyxa: the opposite of what up is in the northern hemisphere, no doubt!
02.13.02 docmojo: Changing weather, jet lag...
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calyxa: hi, Bryn!
02.13.20 Lil: hi bryn!
02.13.20 docmojo: Hey, Bryn!
02.13.27 pushinfaders: Hi bryn
02.13.59 bryn: hi all
02.14.08 bryn: I'm going to try and vox and cook dinner at the same time!
02.14.16 bryn: so what's all the good gossip?
02.14.28 pushinfaders: So what's the big juicy gossip from the GDC??? Some one gonna throw a gazillion $$$$ in pandromeda
02.14.30 Lil: what's cooking, bryn?
02.14.43 docmojo: "We hope so."
02.14.54 docmojo: (But it won't happen real soon.)
02.15.00 bryn: linguine carbonara with chicken (from the roy's cookbook)
02.15.07 bryn: roy's is this realy really good restaurant in hawaii
02.15.33 pushinfaders: we need a special Mojo processer from intel or amd !!
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calyxa: hi, infidel
02.15.49 Lil: I agree.
02.15.51 pushinfaders: hey Eric
02.15.53 Lil: hi infidel!
02.15.55 bryn: so let's conjecture who it would be...
02.16.06 bryn: nvidia or ati...
calyxa: Motorola.
02.16.12 bryn: intel
calyxa: j/k
02.16.24 bryn: EA
02.16.27 docmojo: Hey, Eric!
02.16.32 pushinfaders: Sony
02.16.37 Lil: zylog
02.16.41 bryn: hi infidel
02.17.04 docmojo: Of course, I can't comment on who it might be.
02.17.05 infidel: hey everyone, i might be lagged again tonight
02.17.06 bryn: why sony?
02.17.16 pushinfaders: I dunno
02.17.17 bryn: but you can comment on who it isn't.
02.17.19 docmojo: Let's hope it's lots of people!
02.17.28 infidel: what's cookin?
calyxa: come on big money!
02.17.40 bryn: linguine!
02.17.58 pushinfaders: we need vanna to turn a letter for us..can I buy a vowel?
calyxa: don't buy an 'e'
02.18.36 docmojo: Let's put it this way: I'm not ready to sell Pandromeda to make games yet. ;-)
02.18.39 bryn: uh 10 bucks says it isn't corel
02.18.53 Lil: no bet
02.18.55 docmojo: But we're happy to work on games.
02.19.06 docmojo: The guys down here are quite keen on it, actually.
02.19.07 bryn: I thought you already leased out pandromeda for the next couple years. your rental agreement doesn't allow sales?
02.19.16 pushinfaders: There was a really funny pic in the bryce forum about corel
02.19.19 docmojo: No, we have no restricitons.
02.19.28 docmojo: We can do whatever we want, with whomever.
calyxa: monkeys in management - Mo forwarded that to 'all' here.
02.19.46 pushinfaders: yeah that was great
02.19.55 docmojo: Can't wait till they make pictures like that of ME.
calyxa: you already look like that Mo
02.20.05 docmojo: (I Guess Codini already has...)
02.20.06 Lil: any day now
02.20.09 pushinfaders: Big Monkey Mo
02.20.10 docmojo: HEY!
calyxa: yeah, I know.... 'bite me"
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02.20.35 docmojo: Silverback to you, chimps. >:-|
calyxa: silverfront, isn't it?
02.20.50 docmojo: That, too.
02.20.59 pushinfaders: ha ha ha ha
calyxa: so... who wants to see my latest on the curve editor?
02.22.04 pushinfaders: sure !!!
02.22.07 Lil: YES PLEASE
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/tutorial/bigT/curveeditor.html
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calyxa: w/b Eric
02.23.19 Lil: thanks for this Caly, it's just the part of the process where I'm really fuzzy
02.23.31 pushinfaders: Cool, I saved it for later..
calyxa: it's taken me almost 2 years to get to the point where I understood the curve editor enough to be able to draw those diagrams...
02.24.02 docmojo: We identified a few nerw MMOG customers.
02.24.10 infidel: thx, hopefully i can stay connected
02.24.14 docmojo: That coudl net us some cash.
02.24.18 Lil: what is mmog?
calyxa: massive multiplayer online gaming
calyxa: or something like that
02.24.50 docmojo: That's it.
02.24.55 Lil: ok
02.25.18 Lil: massive as in number of possible participants?
02.25.24 docmojo: Met a guy who does Apallachian VC.
02.25.37 docmojo: Money for a Wes' Virginny office perhaps.
calyxa: it's either that or the size of the world available to explore. I'm not a gamer, so I'm not sure what they mean by 'massive'
02.25.49 docmojo: Yes, Lil, up to millions.
02.26.18 Lil: All running about on a mojoworld waving laserguns
calyxa: I thought the teeming millions were covered by the 'multiplayer' part, leaving the 'massive' still unexplained.
02.26.29 pushinfaders: a double wide in WV ??
calyxa: or building pyramids
02.26.31 docmojo: MMOGs are cool because they'll be the first with large, realistic, real-time worlds.
02.26.37 docmojo: Because they can fund them!
02.26.38 Lil: lol
calyxa: hey, I'd move to WV for a salary.
02.26.57 docmojo: Piles of cash help development.
02.27.08 Lil: helps most things
02.27.17 docmojo: "Workin' in a coal mine, going down down down..."
02.27.26 pushinfaders: The $$ in those games gomes in the monthly fee's to play
02.27.43 pushinfaders: Uh Oh, I'm typing like Mo
calyxa: the razor is free, but you gotta buy the blades.
02.27.47 docmojo: And to create the next Everquest.
02.27.56 docmojo: HEY!
02.28.09 pushinfaders: I know "Bite me"
calyxa: hey, at least he can't fire you. again.
02.28.55 Lil: Doc, these people are conveying an impression that you have a volatile personality.
calyxa: volitle like pop rocks. threatening, but in a fun sort of cute little way.
02.29.30 docmojo: Aaa, PISS OFF.
02.29.35 docmojo: HEY!
02.29.49 docmojo: I WANNA BE FEARED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
02.29.54 infidel: Inspiration for those in need: Great aerial photos from NASA: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images_index.php3
02.29.56 pushinfaders: we just like to pick on Doc...he takes it well as you can see
02.30.38 Lil: *looks dubious* Everybody knows pop rocks can make your stomach explode, just like in Alien
calyxa: only if you eat'em w/ cola.
02.31.02 docmojo: Ooo-aaa!
02.31.11 docmojo: Nice images, Eric!
02.31.14 Lil: beautiful images
02.31.44 infidel: some of them are really quite amazing
02.32.00 pushinfaders: I think I say Mo's house in the first one!!!
calyxa: the one I'm accidentally d/l the giant version of... cool colors on it
02.32.56 Lil: row 3 col 1 is stuff in my fridge
02.33.03 pushinfaders: I love that sorta stuff...yes Eric, much inspiration
02.34.24 infidel: anyone have anything Mojo to discuss?
02.34.33 docmojo: Hey, we *are* just northesat of that image!
calyxa: you missed my new curve editor tutorial link, Eric - http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/tutorial/bigT/curveeditor.html
02.35.02 Lil: I need to grok this curved editor tut, then I'll have more questions
02.36.06 pushinfaders: I guess where I get lost, is knowing when to clamp or mirror or reflect....
02.36.24 bryn: I am away.
02.36.33 Lil: enjoy the linguini!
02.36.36 pushinfaders: I know, it depends on what your doing
calyxa: hopefully those diagrams I have will give you a little better idea of what the nuances are.
02.37.11 infidel: the diagram is good, i always think of curves as functions graphically
02.37.37 Lil: will also help understand input/output values, I hope
02.37.49 infidel: btw: setting the curve output and moving points around can have really interesting results
02.38.12 docmojo: Wow, those illustrations Rock, Caly!
02.38.16 pushinfaders: infinite possibilities
02.38.19 docmojo: They shoudl go in the next namual
02.38.22 infidel: if the bezier curve params are big/long they can go crazy
02.38.29 docmojo: Or your MojoWolrd book... ;-)
calyxa: Mo, I should upload my concept for a future version of the curve editor...
calyxa: I sent it to Mr. Silence...
02.38.47 Lil: a mojoworld book?
02.38.49 docmojo: Indeed! We can review it while I'm down here.
02.39.04 docmojo: Fat lotta good that does. ;-)
calyxa: no kidding.
calyxa: hang on.
02.39.19 pushinfaders: Mr. Silence...ha ha ha
02.39.43 Lil: future version wish: Have "Open Recent" under Files menu
02.40.11 Lil: because I'm lazy
calyxa: the OS provides that in the file-open dialog, under Windows....
calyxa: which is why "engineering" has been so resistant to make it an option under the file menu...
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/private/curveeditorepiphanyrep.gif
02.41.30 Lil: the OS way isn't easy enough ;-)
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/private/curveeditorepiphanyrep1.gif
02.42.34 docmojo: Sweet!
calyxa: gives you an idea of what happens 'beyond' input and output...
02.42.49 docmojo: I also want the range and domain labeled with numbers.
02.42.57 docmojo: So you know what you're looking at!
calyxa: wasn't sure how to fit that in there... but yeah, it'd be good.
02.43.04 pushinfaders: what's the idea behind the zoom thing?
calyxa: the curve editor can zoom now. you probably haven't noticed...
02.43.29 docmojo: Very useful, that.
02.43.32 pushinfaders: Nope
02.43.39 pushinfaders: how to do that?
calyxa: in fact, it may make sense to get rid of the zoom handles altogether and put the range and domain labels there...
calyxa: see the scrunchy things on top of and to the right of the left-hand edit area?
calyxa: those are really there in the curve editor and zoom it.
calyxa: but we could get rid of those and handle zooming entirely w/ the green square in the right-hand area in my mock-ups
02.44.41 infidel: numbers would be helpful
calyxa: it needs work - but hopefully it's enough to show y'all where I'm trying to go with it.
02.45.31 pushinfaders: I'll have to fool around with that
02.45.31 infidel: also i'd like some more advanced numerical analysis tools, but that's probably for a future version.. eg histogram of output
calyxa: Mo, do you think I should forward those to John C.?
02.47.21 docmojo: We'll add an image post-processing lab someday.
02.47.33 docmojo: Sure--go for it!
02.47.45 infidel: calyxa/doc: would it be possible to create plugin that displayed a histogram of output somewhere?
calyxa: "maybe"...
calyxa: I know the texture editor - when editing the terrain texture only - will show some min/max values...
02.48.16 pushinfaders: post processing lab, like for lens flares?
02.48.27 infidel: i went to a microsoft presentation tonight and got some free development tools, so after exams i should be able to
02.48.36 docmojo: Yep.
02.48.51 pushinfaders: what other sotra stuff Doc?
02.49.41 infidel: min/max are helpful, but not always enough..
02.50.07 Lil: the current values are only for what's in the preview window, yes?
02.50.11 docmojo: Black & white points, gamma, tone operators...
calyxa: yeah - they'll change if you zoom in or out, Lil.
calyxa: text tool - Mo, everyone's going to want a text tool.
02.50.36 Lil: i noticed...eventually
02.50.50 docmojo: To add text to images?
calyxa: think of those min/max values as "a local sample".
calyxa: yeah, Mo - signatures, titles, etc.
02.51.02 docmojo: "Hated users." >;^)
02.51.26 docmojo: Ah, a .sig bitmap would be a nice thing ato add.
02.51.42 pushinfaders: Now it's my yurn...BITE ME !!
02.51.44 Lil: yeah, a cartouche
02.51.45 docmojo: I wrote such a tool to sign all my early images.
calyxa: we should have a whole bunch of overlay bitmaps, w/ the lat / long / timestamp, for one... I'm sure sunmonkey will have a lot of possible designs...
02.52.09 docmojo: Bite yerself, Bruce. ;^)
02.52.27 docmojo: Oo, yes, I bet he would...
02.52.48 pushinfaders: I love what he does with that stuff
calyxa: it'd be really cool to have a set of canned overlays, plus the option to add your own custom overlay.
calyxa: crosshairs, time/date/location watermarks... all kinds of stuff.
02.53.37 pushinfaders: That would be good
calyxa: the canonical two side-by-side circle graphic meaning "through binoculars"...
02.54.42 pushinfaders: Monkeys, we need monkeys!!
02.55.18 docmojo: MORE MONKEYS!
calyxa: I like monkeys!
02.55.34 docmojo: (And not teh management kind, either)
02.55.42 infidel: a start in that direction would be a small collection of such pictures included with the library material'
calyxa: "yes.. I have monkeys in my pants." - that guy coming thru customs w/ all the rare orchids and birds in his suitcase.
02.56.29 docmojo: HA HA!
calyxa: just got another "delayed for an hour" bolus of email... sigh.
02.57.00 docmojo: Caly, did you file a bug report re Hacker's 1200 hour problem?
calyxa: this is the first I've heard of it, so "no"... what's the deal?
02.58.22 docmojo: The fact that you can't save a stopped render in the Render Room.
calyxa: oh, that one. no. it's really more of an enhancement request...
02.59.00 pushinfaders: way off topic, has any one heard of the Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory?....or "unnatural clouds" and such?
02.59.02 Lil: good night y'all -- must leave now
calyxa: thanks for dropping by, Lil!
02.59.11 pushinfaders: see ya LIL
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02.59.43 infidel: g'night
02.59.53 infidel: doc: has volker contacted you at all about the jan generator contest?
02.59.58 docmojo: I haven't Bruce.
03.00.08 docmojo: No, he hasn't.
03.00.24 pushinfaders: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/
03.01.10 pushinfaders: usually I blow stuff like this off, but i saw it with my own eyes..
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03.04.26 pushinfaders: hello john
calyxa: well, hey there, John!
03.04.35 John_Spirko: good evening
03.04.37 docmojo: Yes, the contrails are getting stranger in my eyes--probably just because there are so many of them,
03.04.46 docmojo: all stacking up and overlapping.
03.05.00 docmojo: Didn't used to be so many...
03.05.09 docmojo: Hey, John!
03.05.15 docmojo: WELCOME BACK!!!
03.05.15 John_Spirko: :-)
03.05.27 pushinfaders: I saw some weid stuff, like oily rainbows, not the usual kind..weird stuff, it all over the web
03.05.59 docmojo: We saw some clouds that went right into space two summers ago.
03.06.06 docmojo: Not man-made, either.
03.06.24 docmojo: Turned out to be a meteor over Pitssburg.
03.06.28 pushinfaders: Ahhh, the sound of my HD churning..means my render is done !!
03.06.37 docmojo: Glowed for 45 minutes after sunset.
03.06.39 docmojo: Wild!
03.09.49 bryn: well the linguine is progressing, but I'm not seeing much gossip
03.10.09 bryn: so...pixar?
calyxa: cat's got his tongue
03.10.22 bryn: ILM? diigital domain?
03.10.35 bryn: they wiull all want distriuted rendering you know ... hint hint
calyxa: Mo and DD go way back.
03.11.03 bryn: I know, that's why I guessed
03.13.44 pushinfaders: I'm guessing that Multi player on line gaming is all the rage at the GDC
03.14.14 pushinfaders: That'll boost server sales
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calyxa: yo, Cam!
03.15.25 pushinfaders: hey Cam
03.15.27 Camel: Hey all:)
03.15.42 John_Spirko: this doesn't go too far back, but there's an archive site on the net that you can plug in old URLs and maybe get an archived link
03.15.43 Camel: Hey Doc!!
03.15.45 John_Spirko: hello Cam
03.16.08 John_Spirko: they have a few old Pandromeda's on file http://web.archive.org/web/20010924175103/www.fractalworlds.com/
03.16.28 John_Spirko: some of the graphics will be spotty or missing
03.17.44 docmojo: Hey, Camel!
03.17.50 Camel: :)
03.18.00 John_Spirko: main site - the Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org/
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calyxa: I need to remember to send that new curve editor tut link to Ken H. in FL...
03.19.37 pushinfaders: yeah the wayback machine has some cool stuff... I like the stuff about older computers
03.20.58 docmojo: Wow, that takes me back, John...
03.21.16 Camel: Man took me long enough time to get home tonite:( Pretty crappy weather up here this eve.
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calyxa: w/b Eric
03.22.31 docmojo: John: here's the REAL MojoWorld waynback site: http://web.archive.org/web/20000823035219/http://www.fractalworlds.com/
03.22.41 docmojo: I always loved that design...
03.22.45 docmojo: Too slow, though...
calyxa: heh, I remember that one...
03.23.22 John_Spirko: while I check that out, you can check out an evaporating planet that was discovered by Hubble
03.23.31 Camel: Hey Doc. Even that looks cool.
03.23.33 John_Spirko: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000EE645-B011-1E6F-A98A809EC5880105
calyxa: I read a little bit about that on /.
03.24.59 pushinfaders: well, i gotta run..thanks for the visit..see ya'all soon
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03.25.19 John_Spirko: how bout this LOL Bryce 2 is here
03.25.25 John_Spirko: http://web.archive.org/web/19961121191025/http://www.metatools.com/
03.25.41 docmojo: HA HA HA!!!
03.27.14 Camel: Holy .... John!!!!:)
03.27.21 Camel: LOL
03.27.46 John_Spirko: even has some images there
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03.29.05 Camel: John where in the heck did you pull that URL from?
calyxa: the wayback machine
03.30.21 John_Spirko: Cam main site - wayback machine http://www.archive.org/
03.30.39 docmojo: Too bad the original FractalWorlds site seems to b epretty broken...
03.31.31 docmojo: Interesting--B2 was already getting away from landscapes, by the spin in the gallery...
03.31.38 bryn: ok, I'm back again
03.31.48 bryn: are we reminiscing now instead of gossiping?
03.32.30 docmojo: And why not? .;-)
03.32.49 docmojo: Caly, my email is out now, too...
03.33.02 bryn: well, software company fortunes are not made on memories alone
calyxa: the future ain't what it used to be.
03.33.31 Camel: No the future is NOW...................
03.33.33 bryn: yeah, let's go back to the future...
03.33.40 bryn: 1.21 gigawatts ?!?
calyxa: nineteen hundred sixty eight is over, it's over. nineteen hundred eighty one is over.
03.33.59 bryn: maybe in 1987 you can run down to your neighborhood drugstore and pick up some plutonium
03.34.04 Camel: Wait, there's a moment coming.
03.34.32 Camel: It's getting closer...
03.34.47 Camel: It's almost here.......
calyxa: gold star bonus to anyone who gets my last reference.
03.35.00 Camel: shooot!!! It's gone!!!!
03.35.50 John_Spirko: something to do with music?
03.35.53 bryn: google tells me you are referring to uc berkeley's chemistry class notes http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/editor/Publications/journal/classnotes/s01/classnote1.html
03.36.03 Camel: Hmmm Lyrics so as far as i know.
03.36.14 bryn: yay gold star for bryn
03.36.24 bryn: actually, how about the who?
calyxa: Nina Hagen, "Future is Now", off her Nun Sex Monk Rock album.
03.37.38 bryn: who?
03.37.43 Camel: hehe!!!
03.37.47 Camel: Nina!!!
03.37.55 Camel: Nina Hagen!!!!!!!
03.38.22 John_Spirko: who coined the term?
03.38.31 bryn: check out what I found when searching on the future is now: Hello Kitty 40k http://onastick.net/sitz/images/hk40k.html
03.38.32 Camel: And her son is Jesus she thinks.
03.39.05 bryn: Jesus, did she have an affair with somebody from california or mexico?
03.39.21 Camel: Hehe!!! Warhammer 40,000 rip.
calyxa: I know someone I need to forward that to...
03.39.55 bryn: ok name that reference "no not hay-zeus, hey. zeus.father of apollo, don't fuck with me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your ass. zeus.
calyxa: that's really familiar sounding, but I can't place it.
03.40.52 bryn: less obscure than nina hagmumblemumble
03.40.59 bryn: more "poppy"
03.41.10 bryn: with a vengeance
03.41.19 Camel: Sounds something like a Cheech & Chong kinda thing.
calyxa: DOGMA
calyxa: ?
03.41.49 bryn: Die Hard with a Vengeance