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calyxa: yo, Mo!
calyxa: you're early ;)
01.53.58 DocMojo: Hey!
01.54.25 raydreamr: Yo Mo? can I say Hi Ken, then go to Yo Mo after that?
01.54.35 DocMojo: For once, I remembered all by myself...
calyxa: yay! I assume Chas isn't going to make it due to that music awards thing
01.54.59 DocMojo: Sure, Mo works for me! Yo Mo...
01.55.05 DocMojo: Yep.
01.55.33 DocMojo: Good to see you here RayDreamer!
calyxa: thanks for the tip on the FOV / QTVR problem, that makes a big difference
01.55.44 DocMojo: (hitherto known as RD)
01.55.55 DocMojo: I love the easy fixes like that...
01.56.02 DocMojo: :-)
calyxa: RD's name is "Ken" (makes it easy to remember, eh?)
01.56.48 DocMojo: Great name there, RD!
01.56.57 raydreamr: are you not Michael?
01.57.21 DocMojo: My dad's a Ken, my mother and sisiter are Ruths.
calyxa: we have no Michael that I know of...
01.57.29 DocMojo: Ruthie marries another Ken.
01.57.40 raydreamr: this is the Wottle, the emblem of out land, you can stick it in a bottle, or hold in you hand!
01.57.54 DocMojo: We get together and it's a Kenvention.
01.58.03 raydreamr: MInd if we call you Michael?
01.58.10 DocMojo: Mind if I call you Bruce, Bryce?
01.58.19 DocMojo: Bruce...
01.58.28 raydreamr: no B words!
01.58.29 DocMojo: WHY DO I KEEP TYOING BRYCE???
01.58.29 raydreamr: heehh!
calyxa: back at SCO, there was a memo sent out to engineering, after hiring 3 new guys named "Brian" - "NOTE - to avoid any confusion, all engineers will be named "Brian""
01.59.02 DocMojo: Oh, Emanual Kant was a real pisant...
calyxa: tall Brian, fuzzy Brian, loud Brian....
01.59.56 DocMojo: There's Ken Perlin and my pal Ken Pedrotti (AKA Footrot)
02.00.08 DocMojo: We all got togeher once.
02.00.14 DocMojo: Very Kenventional...
02.00.55 DocMojo: RD, you should hear Craig sing the Philosopher's Song.
02.01.05 DocMojo: He sings it fast and accurately.
calyxa: heh, now I know what to ask him if I ever talk to him again ;)
02.01.17 DocMojo: I've been trying to memorize it for decades...
02.01.29 DocMojo: Is he shutting you out?
02.01.48 DocMojo: He seems to be (wisely) letting us all go dry out for a spell...
calyxa: not really. I was gonna call him today to wish him a last day as a power of two and my freakin' phone is out!
02.02.15 DocMojo: What, is he 64???
calyxa: I get the odd email from him, but I'm not sending him much work-wise... silly stuff and cool renders, mostly
calyxa: not anymore he isn't (or won't be when it passes midnight in NZ)
02.02.55 DocMojo: Remind me to call or email him when we're doen here tonight!
calyxa: OK. (he'll know it was my fault... but that's OK ;)
02.03.21 DocMojo: That's okay.
02.03.46 DocMojo: Executive Privelidge to be invasive like that...
calyxa: he said he wanted to forget this one and hold off 'til July 2nd when he could celebrate his 33 and a 1/3rd...
02.04.04 DocMojo: Har har...
calyxa: I almost got him a belated b-day card today w/ a chihuahua on it...
02.04.55 DocMojo: Heh heh...
calyxa: but I can't afford to spend the money... I'll have to draw one by hand or something lame...
02.05.50 DocMojo: Render him somethimg...
calyxa: I'm gonna send him a CD's worth of mp3's
02.06.41 DocMojo: I'd like to hear THAT one!
calyxa: assuming the barb/able thing gets settled. no, you wouldn't. and it'll be the 5th one, I'm sure he's sick of them.
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calyxa: hiya, Stevo
02.07.34 DocMojo: Hey, Steve-o!
02.07.39 Stevo: hello Calyxa
02.07.45 Stevo: Hey Doc
02.07.55 DocMojo: Whassup?
calyxa: so, Mo, did you see the benchmark page since I added the GDC machine?
02.08.16 DocMojo: No. What's the URL again?
02.08.36 DocMojo: They called yestiddy and threatened to send ME another one!!!
calyxa: http://calyxa.pandromeda.com/benchmark.html
02.08.39 DocMojo: WOO HOO!!!
02.09.04 Stevo: I've had my first foray into the PRO UI
02.09.23 DocMojo: We need to get to 0.00.01... ;-)
02.09.39 DocMojo: How'd it go. Steveo?
calyxa: what did you think of it?
02.09.48 Stevo: Excellent
calyxa: cool!
calyxa: another convert, Mo!
02.10.02 DocMojo: Some people are saying "it;s easier." %-\
02.10.10 DocMojo: Excellent!
02.10.21 DocMojo: If you can think that way, it's POWERFUL.
02.10.23 Stevo: I'm working on a weird sunrise video
02.10.29 DocMojo: Cool!
calyxa: so, did that animation tutorial of mine make sense?
02.10.46 Stevo: that was an excellent tutorial
calyxa: brb...
02.11.08 DocMojo: Good work, Caly!
calyxa: back... thanks!
02.12.54 DocMojo: Any mysteries you'd like to enquire about, Steveo?
02.12.59 Stevo: Hey Doc, can you tell me anymore about the Hyper-Voxel thing.
calyxa: (oh great, Mo, now he'll be dreading the log!!)
02.13.13 Stevo: any pluggins planned?
calyxa: I have an idea for one I want to try to write when the SDK comes my way....
calyxa: a sort of eroded hexagonal basalt-column thingie...
02.14.12 Stevo: I've just got lightwave, and I'm just read about it briefly
02.14.14 DocMojo: I was just talking to Jeff LaSor of GeoFrac about making it into an MW plug-in.
calyxa: did he call you, then? cool
02.14.44 Stevo: Cool!
02.15.07 DocMojo: HyperVoxels: About all I knwo is that I shared my code with them, that I'd developed at DD for Dante's Peak, Titanic and Air Force One.
02.15.16 DocMojo: Yes, he did...
calyxa: what did he think of MW?
02.15.42 DocMojo: They took it and voxelized the lighting which makes it So much faster you wouldn't belive it.
02.15.54 DocMojo: He love the idea, of course.
02.16.07 DocMojo: Says he see things liek that and gets depressed. ;-)
calyxa: that he didn't do it first?
02.16.28 Stevo: Impressive
02.16.54 DocMojo: Naw, he only does it as a hobby, so his progress is incremental.
02.17.15 DocMojo: He was using the name Terragen at the same time as Matt!
calyxa: oops!
02.17.24 DocMojo: Abdicated to Planetside...
02.19.28 DocMojo: Other than http://www.flowanalysis.com, no one seems to have done much that's original with volume textures, that I knwo of.
02.19.38 DocMojo: I want to do genetic volumetrics.
02.19.47 DocMojo: Ever the impractical one, me...
calyxa: can't find that server...
calyxa: oh, it's the comma... never mind
02.20.41 DocMojo: They're doign good old Navier-Stokes.
02.20.50 Stevo: What's that Doc?
02.20.57 DocMojo: Here's their secret:
02.21.04 Stevo: what's genetic volumetrics?
02.21.15 DocMojo: (It's the mathematically correct desription of fluid flow)
02.21.40 Stevo: that must be computationaly insane
02.21.46 DocMojo: (Oh, that's genetic textures as volumetrics. Animated through time, of course.)
02.21.50 DocMojo: It is!!!
02.21.58 Stevo: ugghh
02.22.27 DocMojo: See http://www.kenmusgrave.com/mutatis.html
02.23.09 DocMojo: Anyway, FlowAnalysis is using negative viscosity to force small vortices when they'd noramlly get damped.
02.23.14 DocMojo: Very clever--very cool!!!
02.23.32 DocMojo: And VERY realistic!
02.24.08 Stevo: that's wild
02.24.40 Stevo: the pictures
02.24.45 DocMojo: I did it as we need to breed planets in the future, when we're filling galaxies.
02.24.54 DocMojo: Can't build htat many planets by hand!
02.25.08 Stevo: that makes sense
02.25.13 DocMojo: I've been planning the future of MW for 15 years now...
02.25.26 DocMojo: And working towards all the things we'll be needing.
02.25.32 Stevo: that's persistant, to say the least
02.25.35 DocMojo: I'm quite single-minded.
02.25.44 DocMojo: I kinda scare myself, that way...
calyxa: there's a Thomas Dolby song by that name
02.26.18 Stevo: I was digging the story about the dark room at your school
02.26.58 DocMojo: Them was weird and heady times.
calyxa: "I Scare Myself"...
02.27.11 DocMojo: Did I talk about the bottle of blackberry brandy?
02.27.17 DocMojo: "My only friend."
02.27.48 Stevo: I'll have to hear that one
02.28.36 Stevo: are those particle streams in the picture?
02.29.08 Stevo: on fluid flow, that is
02.29.23 DocMojo: Oh, I'd just bring this little bottle of cheap wino-grade blackberry breandy up on the cold nights, and work until I couldn't work no more, then stumble home through the snow...
02.29.29 DocMojo: (barefoot, of course)
02.29.49 DocMojo: No, it's a full volume field calculation.
02.29.54 DocMojo: Voxels, really.
02.29.56 Stevo: you don't know your cold that way
02.30.07 DocMojo: That's the idea!
02.30.12 Stevo: hehe
02.30.15 DocMojo: Works for winos; works for me.
02.31.14 Stevo: another pluggin, or 2.0?
02.31.29 DocMojo: Oh yes, I've been after them Big Time.
02.31.46 DocMojo: But you wanna see MW get slower, this is one of the best ways...
02.31.47 DocMojo: ;-)
02.32.26 Stevo: That must be frustrating?
02.32.40 Stevo: It looks great
02.32.49 DocMojo: "Story of my life." :-)
02.32.55 Stevo: hehe
02.32.59 DocMojo: Just life on the bleeding edge, is all.
02.33.12 DocMojo: It's not so hard to bring any computer to its knees.
02.33.25 DocMojo: A CPU cycle is a terrible thing to waste...
calyxa: I've been finding myself pausing the RTR on the GDC box.
02.34.06 DocMojo: Why?
02.34.14 DocMojo: CPU smoking?
calyxa: force of habit maybe... maybe it's the old, "I want instantaneous gratification and I want it NOW" problem...
calyxa: maybe I've thrown too many distortions into this planet...
02.35.38 DocMojo: I pause the RTR by default, anymore.
calyxa: if you look at the benchmarks, tho, you'd expect it to be more than 15 seconds faster than a chip that's 500MHz slower.
02.36.52 DocMojo: Yes, it's architecture makes it less than teice as fast, per Hz. Craig explained all that to me down in NZ.
calyxa: even w/ the special P4 build?
02.37.28 DocMojo: It will scream when we optimize our assembly code for it.
02.37.46 DocMojo: Yes, I wish I could remember the details...
calyxa: what word on Mac optimizations?
02.38.22 DocMojo: I believe it's that the P4 does deep prefetch, and if that's foiled, you lose much time.
02.38.27 DocMojo: HA HA HA HA.
02.38.30 DocMojo: Ask Craig.
02.38.38 DocMojo: Metrowerks isn't up to it.
02.38.58 DocMojo: Apple SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS when it comes to hepling.
calyxa: OK. later. I promised I wouldn't bug him w/ too much work stuff for a while.
02.39.17 DocMojo: Might as well as redwood trees for any assistance.
calyxa: that's unfortunate...
02.39.58 DocMojo: I've never seen a program that would RUN with the highest level optimization in Code Warrior.
02.40.04 DocMojo: It's a complete wank.
02.40.10 DocMojo: Worse under OS X.
calyxa: huh, I was hoping it'd be better under OS X... sigh.
02.40.59 DocMojo: It will be. But not yet...
calyxa: so there is hope, then. good.
02.41.38 DocMojo: The debugger is useless under X--Craig actually does development under 9...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02.41.54 DocMojo: That's ABSURD.
calyxa: really? I thought he was doing stuff under X, at least at first...
calyxa: and I thought the debugger on X was gdc?!
calyxa: (or whatever the gnu debugger is called..)
02.43.10 DocMojo: 'was gdc?" translate, pls.
calyxa: gnu debugger
calyxa: the debugger that goes w/ gcc...
calyxa: gdb. that's it, I'm pretty sure.
calyxa: off by one.
02.44.44 DocMojo: I dunno tha tlevel of detail. Craig says it;s seconds per line to step through code in the debugger...
calyxa: is he using the Project Builder?
02.45.23 DocMojo: Dunno...
calyxa: ah well. he's a smart boy, he'll figure it out.
02.46.38 DocMojo: That's what I figure.
calyxa: even if he was wrong about sending out 1.02 instead of 1.1. :)
02.46.58 DocMojo: RD, still there? Steveo?
calyxa: heh, we scared'em.
02.47.18 Stevo: yes, just chillin
02.47.28 DocMojo: Cool!
02.47.54 Stevo: I was reading the chart for awhile
02.47.59 DocMojo: Bottom line on 1.02 vs. 1.2: A whole mess of untested code had been checked in for the 1.2 build.
02.48.04 DocMojo: So we decided to punt.
02.48.05 Stevo: Hacker's kickin your butts
02.48.14 DocMojo: No s___!
calyxa: "it's only _mostly_ untested!"
02.48.23 Stevo: Is he German?
calyxa: French Swiss
02.48.34 DocMojo: French Swiss, despite the name...
02.48.48 Stevo: ouch
02.49.12 DocMojo: Krummen Hacker, the Certifianbly Insane.
calyxa: yeah, I need to upload an updated version of the airport tutorial... he found a bug in his airport.
calyxa: sometimes the building material will "leak out" into the land material...
02.49.35 Stevo: that was rather intricate, the airport
02.49.44 DocMojo: Social values sometiems indicate that we must pay such fiends, to keep them off the streets. ;-)
02.50.00 Stevo: that's a good plan
02.50.03 DocMojo: No kidding!
calyxa: I had fun w/ it. took my poor machine ages to move it across the planet, tho.
02.50.19 DocMojo: I saw that in his QTVR panorama today...
02.50.27 DocMojo: Even teh P4?
calyxa: haven't seen that yet. haven't tried it on the P4 yet.
02.50.58 DocMojo: Try it! The P4/G4 shoudl eat it right up!
calyxa: every time I use FTP between the P4 and my cube, MW on the P4 goes belly-up.
02.51.18 DocMojo: (Caly's P4 has a GeFrorce 4 card...!)
calyxa: just for the next week...
02.51.35 Stevo: the expensive one?
02.51.46 DocMojo: "I guess."
calyxa: the front of the box has labels stuck on it that say, "D850MV 2.2GHZ" if that helps.
02.52.14 DocMojo: It's cool when the Big Boys throw us this insane technology--for FREE!
calyxa: even tho they take it back...
02.52.48 DocMojo: Ah, well... It's obsolete by then, anyway... ;-)
02.53.05 DocMojo: They announced a 4 GHz P4 today.
02.53.06 DocMojo: Dang me.
02.53.16 Stevo: next summer
calyxa: still, the Dell holds up fairly well...
calyxa: the Geforce 2 is only 10fps slower than the Geforce 4
02.54.02 DocMojo: I want a 9999 googleHertz P99999999999999999999999999999999.
calyxa: running windows 98?
02.54.37 DocMojo: Really? I guess the G4's strength is in the vertex shaders and such.
02.54.58 DocMojo: Baby steps towards hardware Mojo...
calyxa: I don't really have a way to quantify how fast it resolves...
calyxa: and for some planets, it doesn't (damn that domain distortion, anyway!)
02.55.33 DocMojo: I've seen it on Craig's machine. It's zippy for the RTR.
02.55.57 DocMojo: You can still be CPU bound...